Replying to ToD normal "need tank" LFM...

[sephiroth1084]

Hit join on Ferrumrym.
Leader: dps correct?
Me: have decent DPS, but set-up to main tank or off-tank
Leader: ooking at you on myddo. Your set up as more dps than tank. if you want to do dps. sure. otherwise no ty
Me: i run around with around 74 AC before buffs and without Combat Expertise on; i've tanked elite even before DoS got a +20% HP boost
if you want me to tank, ill come along, otherwise ill pass
Leader: good luck & have a nice day


Me: ok, im curious now...what exactly are you looking for in a tank? im not coming on your run now anyway, but im curious
Leader: your to worried about your strenght at a 33 over your constition. clearly statingyour dps. better to have dex and con than strenght (dex for reflex saves and con for hp). Especially on a Pally. Best choice is Levikk's defender since..
it has a chance to proc a heal. meaning mitigating a healer's sp and saving it for others
Me: HAHAHAHA!!!! 750+ HP is more than enough, even for elite. 640 before U11 was enough
Leader: 'needless to say your gear looks like a poster child for *shinies* instead of gear for a tank


Should probably note that the guy in question is an 18 ranger/1 cleric/1 rogue with under 400 HP. And hasn't had more than 4 people in his LFM for 20 minutes.

[Kmnh]

This thread is worthless without screenshots.

Did you put up a competing LFM and complete before the other one filled? That's the only appropriate answer to that kind of stupidity.

[grodon9999]

Wow . . .

[Sweyn]

Cool story bro

[dkyle]

Sounds like it's the same person as this guy. Same class split, same "know your role" idiocy.

[Paleus]

Two things:
1) Yes, you're totally awesome and that guy was so wrong to exclude you. Here's a gold star. Feel better?

2) Ok, now that that is out of the way. Yeah, you were better off not in that party. I look at the gear you have on and see a concopp/torc self heal battery charger + concopp/demonic shield HP=DR buff on hit, chattering ring and DoS gear to give viable enough AC on someone that has gear/build to put out dps + paladin hate. Uhm, so clearly I should decline you because you don't have the levik's shield which can from time to time randomly proc the heal spell? Oh, and you decided to put in some dps potential...on a tank? We all know that is clearly wrong since well uhm..how does boss hate work again? My brain hurts having to think outside of the WoW mentality I have of gear checking and one-role thinking.

[Diyon]

.....and a tank doesn't need to do at least moderate dps?????? (enough to generate enough hate with +hate stuff)


I'll have to watch out for that guy. I don't need a name, I'm fairly certain the level split plus tell tale signs of *** will be enough to dodge that bullet. I bet my sorc would get declined because sorcs can't dps, lol.

[Eladiun]

Should probably note that the guy in question is an 18 ranger/1 cleric/1 rogue with under 400 HP. And hasn't had more than 4 people in his LFM for 20 minutes.

I know exactly who you are talking about and he is....special....but his LFM's are pure enjoyment. You likely saved yourself pain.

[Khellendros13]

Hey Seph,

That lfm is still up while your Hard lfm filled and I presume you are starting ,as a few ppl in our channel mentioned it...I just finished Elite WW on my Arti or I would of come.

That same person had the ToD lfm up earlier tonight.

If you ever need ToD send me a tell

[dkyle]

That lfm is still up while your Hard lfm filled and I presume you are starting ,as a few ppl in our channel mentioned it...I just finished Elite WW on my Arti or I would of come.

Jeeze, that LFM I linked above sat for 40 minutes after I applied, too, and ultimately disintegrated. You'd think he'd learn not to be so insanely picky... I wonder if he's ever actually entered ToD?

[sweez]

What's *shinies*

[Fallout]

I saw a TOD LFM for S/B tank only. Seriously some of these LFMs sounds like they're looking to do LOB Epic or something.

[Enoach]

First I would like to say just for fun I did MyDDO your character (I assume thats why you listed him). And yes I can see you can be a Tank if you want.

Now with that being said, and maybe this is because I have two teenage daughters and grew up in a very strict military environment but it sounds more like YOU decided what role YOU wanted to play and when told no, finially ended up taking your ball and leaving. And then ended your post with a an ad-hominem just for good measure just in case people didn't see that you were right.

Now, I want to applaud you for starting your own group and I'm willing to bet you went on and completed ToD. I do think you did the right thing by leaving the group, I just think you did it the wrong way.

Don't argue with people by flinging facts at them - people generally argue from emotions, facts are meaningless when emotions are involved.

Next time this happens, and you really wanted to tank and are told no, bow out gracefully. When you do this, it doesn't make you look bad infact it can make you look very good.

Yours,

Enoach Holyfist
Paladin of the Sovereign Host

[sephiroth1084]

Update: Filled, failed on part 2 with Nytherios at 15%, repaired, smoke/drink/**** break, went back inside and "crushed it"...and the other guy's LFM is still not full!

And yes, I did put up a competing LFM that read: ToD Hard: because normal is for 1 cleric splashed sissies!

[sephiroth1084]

First I would like to say just for fun I did MyDDO your character (I assume thats why you listed him). And yes I can see you can be a Tank if you want.

Now with that being said, and maybe this is because I have two teenage daughters and grew up in a very strict military environment but it sounds more like YOU decided what role YOU wanted to play and when told no, finially ended up taking your ball and leaving. And then ended your post with a an ad-hominem just for good measure just in case people didn't see that you were right.

Now, I want to applaud you for starting your own group and I'm willing to bet you went on and completed ToD. I do think you did the right thing by leaving the group, I just think you did it the wrong way.

Don't argue with people by flinging facts at them - people generally argue from emotions, facts are meaningless when emotions are involved.

Next time this happens, and you really wanted to tank and are told no, bow out gracefully. When you do this, it doesn't make you look bad infact it can make you look very good.

Yours,

Enoach Holyfist
Paladin of the Sovereign Host

I neverr claimed to be nice about anything. I mean, I wasn't a complete ****, I think, but I joined because he was looking for a tank. If he wanted DPS, and I wanted to bring DPS, I'd have swapped to another character. Haven't had a chance to run ToD yet on my tank after the U11 changes and wanted to see how it went. In any case, I generally try to only bring Ferrumrym along on raids when he is tanking...since that's what he is made to do in large part.

I don't mind being declined, but I found the manner and reasoning behind this declination to be utterly ridiculous and forum-worthy in its misguidedness.

Oh, and he is still waiting to fill, although he appears to have found a tank.

[SoloPhalanx]

I believe the guy who is being mentioned is still looking for 1 tank and 2 healers. I was the bard in that hard run just now. Kudos to you folks!

[sephiroth1084]

I believe the guy who is being mentioned is still looking for 1 tank and 2 healers. I was the bard in that hard run just now. Kudos to you folks!

Thanks for the buffs!

[taurean430]

Some of the newer players that choose to try and lead TOD's can only be quantified as... 'special'.

This is what happens though when people get the loot they need and move on. With the new raids up and running, the best leaders on the server are busy in there. Kinda bites because I did a enhancement change out and feat exchange on one of the healing toons I kept around. Need a wisdom ring out of there.

[lord_of_rage]

First I would like to say just for fun I did MyDDO your character (I assume thats why you listed him). And yes I can see you can be a Tank if you want.

Now with that being said, and maybe this is because I have two teenage daughters and grew up in a very strict military environment but it sounds more like YOU decided what role YOU wanted to play and when told no, finially ended up taking your ball and leaving. And then ended your post with a an ad-hominem just for good measure just in case people didn't see that you were right.

Now, I want to applaud you for starting your own group and I'm willing to bet you went on and completed ToD. I do think you did the right thing by leaving the group, I just think you did it the wrong way.

Don't argue with people by flinging facts at them - people generally argue from emotions, facts are meaningless when emotions are involved.

Next time this happens, and you really wanted to tank and are told no, bow out gracefully. When you do this, it doesn't make you look bad infact it can make you look very good.

Yours,

Enoach Holyfist
Paladin of the Sovereign Host

I dont feel his last line was ad-hominem. He commented on the leaders build just as the leader was commenting on his build. I think that is completely relavent. The reason being how can you judge ones build if you cannot properly build your own character? The leaders comments were off base and incorrect. He doesnt seem to know much about the paladin class. I think sep asking what his tank standards are was the right thing to do.

[ZeroTakenaka]

Update: Filled, failed on part 2 with Nytherios at 15%, repaired, smoke/drink/**** break, went back inside and "crushed it"...and the other guy's LFM is still not full!

And yes, I did put up a competing LFM that read: ToD Hard: because normal is for 1 cleric splashed sissies!

I was in that other group... I waited 30 min. and felt like no one really joined...

Olmanjenkins was me name. And yes, I saw that LFM