Replying to ToD normal "need tank" LFM...

[Beer_Dude]

Did you notice where he accused me of having too many "shinies" for DPS? I checked MyDDO when he said that, and I was wearing:
Epic Helm of Frost
Bloodstone
Torc
Min II Cloak
Belt Defenders of Siberys
Epic Charged Gauntlets
30% Striders
Chaosgarde Bracers
Conc-Opp Goggles
Epic Cavalry Plate
Epic Swashbuckler
Epic Brigand's Cutlass
Chattering Ring
Band of Siberys

I bolded the items that are basically only for AC.
He complained that my Str was a 33 and that my Con and Dex were lower than that--that that clearly demonstrated that I was too DPS-minded to be a tank. Forget that my read-out had me at over 60 AC with zero buffs and no stance.

MyDDO is not his problem.

If you MY DDO this guy he's way undergeared. Dude had Dusk Heart and Nightforge armbands (two different IMP false life items) along with dex 6 gloves in full plate. No GFL item at level 20 and no crafted gear except his armor, nothing from Shroud. At the rate he's going he won't get any Shriud gear either.

I promise you he doesn't even know what half of that stuff you have on is. Like me and someone else already said. He knows just enough to think he knows it all but actaully doesn't know squat.

[Clay]

If you MY DDO this guy he's way undergeared. I promise you he doesn't even know what half of that stuff is. Like me and someone else already said. He knows just enough to think he knows it all but actaully doesn't know squat.

The crux of the problem. Trouble is, he probably doesn't read the boards, and if he does, would not recognize the person being described. What is that saying? Can lead a horse to water... Hopefully he will wake up and realize that in THIS MMO there are many different ways to get the job done. One of it's strengths.

[Beer_Dude]

The crux of the problem. Trouble is, he probably doesn't read the boards, and if he does, would not recognize the person being described. What is that saying? Can lead a horse to water... Hopefully he will wake up and realize that in THIS MMO there are many different ways to get the job done. One of it's strengths.

I almost wrote the horse thing myself. It hits the nail on the head.

[RangerOne]

I must come to Khyber and play.

But lay off his demand for an Arcane Archer. We don't get enough lovin' as it is.

[griffin_230]

Should probably note that the guy in question is an 18 ranger/1 cleric/1 rogue with under 400 HP. And hasn't had more than 4 people in his LFM for 20 minutes.

Think I know the guy you're talking about. I joined his shroud a couple of days ago. I noticed that the cleric in the group who also happened to be in his guild had 0% fortification and low HP according to myyddo. I mentioned there was someone in the group who had 0% fort but he seemed oblivious to his guildie's lack of fort. In fact, most of his guildies had pretty low HP at that time.

He was being really picky with healers and asked if anyone knew of a fvs called XXX. I had a quick search and noticed the fvs's guild. I said if he's from that guild, he's probably more than capable of healing normal shroud. I was thinking he was probably looking for someone who was gonna carry his guildie. He said he was worried the fvs wasn't gonna heal and was just gonna dps, even though his lfm said they were looking for a healer. Sure enough, we got in the fvs and he looked more than capable of healing.

So we all group and enter shroud. Pretty much everyone in the group has done this a billion times and we just wanna start, but he keeps yapping about tanks and other stuff. We eventually begin anyway, but he's still talking about tanks and buffs and whatnot. It dawns on him that the rest of the group have already started while he's still talking. In a huff he ragequits and takes his guildies with him.

We're kinda ****ed that he's wasted so much time being picky making the group for something as easy as normal shroud and then just buggered off like that. A lot of the ppl in the group wanna squelch him.

We probably could have shortmanned it, but decide to make a new group. We do and complete shroud while he's still got his new lfm up.

[Beer_Dude]

OK I did some research and these are one in the same. Funny each toon wears an int 6 helm and dusk heart as well. No GFL no minos because an int helm is more important.

[Beer_Dude]

In the other place it has been confirmed that these are one and the same. The names are listed in the other place if you need specifics.

[flynnjsw]

In the other place it has been confirmed that these are one and the same. The names are listed in the other place if you need specifics.

/jedimindtrick
There is no other place

[Mithran]

Maybe the issue is that he has an Inferiority Complex and doesn't want anyone in his raid who knows more than he does (most everyone).

[Rodasch]

I'm gonna start posting shroud LFM's demanding absurd things like "Need tank" with only bard checked, or "need heals" with only rogue checked....stuff that CAN be done but is really hard to fill. Then go into it with a completey bass-ackwards group and complete.

[dkyle]

I'm gonna start posting shroud LFM's demanding absurd things like "Need tank" with only bard checked, or "need heals" with only rogue checked....stuff that CAN be done but is really hard to fill. Then go into it with a completey bass-ackwards group and complete.

Make sure it's a WF Tank. Can never be too careful. The Devil lieutenant can apply a healing curse!

[Astraghal]

Annoying stuff like this is common. When attempts at raising the success margin are met with irrational disdain, you are dealing with something that no words of reason will overcome and it's easy to get frustrated in your dealings with other players.

Just like those types of players that you know you've crushed stuff with in the past, who will leave you hanging while they MyDDO screen you or ask about DR breakers when you apply to their LFM's, when you know who's in the group already and that there's a 99.9% your character is the best for a particular role.

What would be useful is a database exploring the nuances of DDO, that can be used as a training tool and a benchmark by which to measure player ability. Once something like that is easily available in-game, there will be no excuses for the type of player ignorance that causes such large gaps in knowledge and competence.

Once it becomes mandatory by level 18 (or whatever) for a melee player to know about DR, HP, fortification, healing amplification, threat and aggro mechanics and mob vulnerabilities, cab we reasonably expect any capped player to know the basics of their class. Of course, that probably won't work because we have seen that people prefer to abstain from a challenge, rather than take one on (see post-u11 pug wasteland threads).

[NaturalHazard]

This is the person playing a ranger that declines rangers from their groups because they aren't DPS.

Um, yeah. Maybe it's just you, mate.

Sounds familiar.

but geez myddoing people for shroud? Its a good thing you can't reach through the computer and throttle the guy otherwise he would be dead.

[Bengalih]

Go figure I think I ran into the same tard last night. If he has a level 20 cleric named after an Egyptian godess but spelled a little different then it's the same guy.

^^ this...and this.

Heh...yeah Ferrum, since I see you OP and a few of my buds in this thread, I started warning about this guy early on. And since we're all sharing stories:

Here is a cool story #1 bro:

Ran some Amrath with his Cleric on my AA. When I joined the group he asked me if I was an AA (which I actually think he said he wanted in his LFM). I was very pleased, because I love my AA, and to have people take a positive attitude towards them is great. Did maybe 2 runs...things went fine, although I could tell that most if not everyone in the group was talking about how "tough" Amrath was and how you had to be so geared and ready for it.

Following day, join his Bastion of Power group. I believe we had 2 ranged rangers, a monk, a barb/fighter, his cleric, and I can only assume a caster or some sort. No more then 5 minutes into it he says something like "What happened to you being an AA?" I say, "I am an AA, but I melee too where appropriate."

I am then told that I am going to need to stop melee and start ranging, because he can't heal 3 melees (he is down to about 25% mana 5 mins in). I took a look at the kill count and saw at this point that mine is about 3-4x that of the next highest count, so I said "well when the other melees kill counts approach mine, i'll consider it."

Granted, this was interpreted as somewhat cocky perhaps, and we all know kill count isn't everything, but I also know that I was shredding through things in this particular instance. So he then starts a big tirade about "kill count means nothing if you are sucking up my healing, blah blah blah" (which would have meant something if I actually needed his healing). So I said plainly "Ok, please don't heal me then." (actually I had to say this several times because he was ranting on and on).

So the quest goes on for 30 minutes. I had to go back and rescue him twice. Once he was up at a shrine running 6 bezikira's around waiting for someone to come. Even though he had mana and could have cast a BB to run them through. The second time the entire party wiped except me and (I believe) the monk - who had to go back when they had all taken a wrong turn under his lead.

We finish the quest, 75% of which he wasn't healing me at all (final kill count was at least twice of all else combined - again just for some sort of reference to my contribution). Finish out, he has apparently already squelched me, and he is continually bad mouthing me to the group (as he was doing throughout the quest). I apologized to the other melees if they took offense, I was simply stating that I could also be an effective melee (btw no other person in the group really spoke out one way or the other at any point during this).

I then felt bad - just because I don't like burning bridges - so I mailed him from another character (since he squelched me) with a very metered response. The basic gist of it was that I apologize if he took offence to me stating I had a high kill count, and that although it isn't the whole story, it does show that I can also be an effective melee. Also by the fact that he didn't heal me 75% of the time, it shows that I didn't need to be a drain on his resources. I also told him he shouldn't think that he should be telling people how to play their characters (especially if not requesting it up front when joining party). It was pretty long-winded and logical (as I tend to be) - took up a few mails to get it all down. In short I ended with, look...let's not be childish about this, hard enough to find pug groups, etc... He never responded and I'm sure still has me squelched.

Saddest part about this in my opinion is that I know he also has an AA, and apparently never picks up a melee weapon :/

Here is a cool story #2, bro:

Apply to his Shroud with my 19clr/1ftr (he doesn't know it is my other toon, and I figure let's see how he acts with a raid group). He asks me to meet him at Meridia entrance to prove I have RSII. I do in fact have RSII (and indeed am more heal specced with enhancements/gear then most pure 20 healers) but I wasn't about to prove such a ridiculous request.

Told a channel buddy - decided we should start our own group. Put "next 10 who click LFM", filled in about 3 minutes. Completed in about 25 while they were still failing in part 2 to kill the generals (I messaged someone in his group). Finally they failed about 30 minutes after we completed. In another 15 mins or so saw the LFM up again for another try, many of the same players in his LFM.... those poor souls!

[NaturalHazard]

OK I did some research and these are one in the same. Funny each toon wears an int 6 helm and dusk heart as well. No GFL no minos because an int helm is more important.

Hey man hes got to make up for his disablity some way huh?

Why do you think hes so keen to run tod? he needs a +1 exceptional int ring then enough trophies to craft a +2 exceptional int on there.

Then he will be putting lfms up for epic chrono to get the +7 int epic diabolist robe/docent lolz.

and even after hes done all that he will be approaching the IQ of a glass of water.

[NaturalHazard]

I must come to Khyber and play.

But lay off his demand for an Arcane Archer. We don't get enough lovin' as it is.

It reminds me a incident a while back I applied to join a group on my ranger, immediatly I get a tell asking me if hes an AA. I answer no hes tempest, I get accepted, go into the quest I pull out my bow to do a manyshot on multiple mobs then I get accused of being a liar right there.

[Indoran]

you, sir, dodged a bullet.

+1

[MindCake]

OMG, I "almost" ran a shroud with him last week. He was broadcasting the INT/WIS draining waves all the time, mostly some **** about Tempests having 0 reflex saves and dying all the time, which had several people (myself included) somewhat annoyed.
Eventually the party filled somehow, and we go in, and the guy is really trying to boss around even though he has no clue at all. And he keeps saying something like "If you don't like my rules, quit my shroud."
At first I was thinking "just endure it for the half an hour, for the mats", but then I though "fine", recalled, dropped party and set up an LFM.
I felt somewhat bad about leaving the other 10 people in the hands of the madman... for about 2 minutes. Because guess who joined my LFM. Yup, the whole raid group, except for the troublesome issue.
We re-grouped, entered, and won, a smooth run.

[Grace_ana]

And he keeps saying something like "If you don't like my rules, quit my shroud."

Well, at least he was able to give SOME good advice.

[MeliCat]

Can someone link him this thread? It might be helpful for everyone.