Afternoon eVoN

[Cauthey]

Thank you for accepting me to this afternoon's eVoN!

I apologize for my newbishness in the raid. My ignorance ended up costing SPs, and I will gladly offer a few more Majors for forgiveness when I get them.

I also apologize for pulling my FRDS - no loot policy was stated, and I immediately recognized my mistake when someone sighed a sullen "of course" when I pulled it.

I will do better in my next eVoN, and I hope you will be willing to have me next time.

[TheDearLeader]

Eh? Is this really how EV6s are done on your server? Orienfolk, tell me.

If a Red pops up in my name, I take it. But that's *Sarlona-style*.

Unless, of course, they're drama was more to the point of "the person who does the poorest gets the loot", which of course we all know is true.

OP, did you happen to let your fair server *know* it was your first time, and ask for an explanation?

[Cauthey]

First-timer fail: with too much confidence for the standard raid, I did neglect to share that it was my first time with epic Velah. I must try and remember that epics ALWAYS throw curve balls.

I think this was a guild run with a couple of PUG fills, so perhaps they didn't see the necessity in explaining looting procedure. After I had pulled it, I asked if I had screwed up. I was answered with "we usually expect PUGers to just pull." I'm not sure if that was forgiveness, or dismissive disdain.

[TheDearLeader]

I dunno man.. maybe it's just my common sense talking, but it's a piece of unbound loot from a raid. I'd "roll off" my Red Scale just about as much as I'd roll off a Large Scale/Stone/Shrapnel from Shroud. Even if I don't need it, it's trade loot, and it popped in my name. After all, most people use Red Scales as a form of currency - and giving out free money seems like a bad idea.

But then again, maybe Orien is different. But yeah, shoulda spoke up probably.

[wigthemaster]

I dunno man.. maybe it's just my common sense talking, but it's a piece of unbound loot from a raid. I'd "roll off" my Red Scale just about as much as I'd roll off a Large Scale/Stone/Shrapnel from Shroud. Even if I don't need it, it's trade loot, and it popped in my name. After all, most people use Red Scales as a form of currency - and giving out free money seems like a bad idea.

But then again, maybe Orien is different. But yeah, shoulda spoke up probably.

We're not.

Unless YOUR guild is running some version of a scale bank.

[Cam_Neely]

Eh? Is this really how EV6s are done on your server? Orienfolk, tell me.

Ive never had any issues with this on Orien. If no loot rules are stated before I step in the quest, then whats in your name is yours. Some guild runs do the customary statement statement "if it falls in a guildees name, we do raid point auctions for it, if no one in guild bids, we put it up for a roll. if your not in the guild and its in your name do as you want with it." Never had issues. ( the guild that says the above normally has very smooth completions, with a few good laughs)

Do have some people that still say 'you should put that scroll up for a roll, its not really randomly assigned' and other stupid stuff like that. I've run with that person, then suggested it to them when they looted a scroll and they just left the party after the completion .

[ChadB123]

I dunno man.. maybe it's just my common sense talking, but it's a piece of unbound loot from a raid. I'd "roll off" my Red Scale just about as much as I'd roll off a Large Scale/Stone/Shrapnel from Shroud. Even if I don't need it, it's trade loot, and it popped in my name. After all, most people use Red Scales as a form of currency - and giving out free money seems like a bad idea.

But then again, maybe Orien is different. But yeah, shoulda spoke up probably.

Most of the Evon6 raids on Orien are guild runs. More now post u11 then before. Most guild runs i've been in though have the loot policy of, "your loot if your loot. our loot is our loot". Then some guilds say, "u r luky 2 b hur, gimme ur stufz". I tend to favor the latter one myself

And to the OP. Being honest, I probably would have come really close, or had actually squelched you for not informing that it was your first time. However, learn from the mistake and dont do it again. Gl on your future evon6 pugs.

[Xenostrata]

I also apologize for pulling my FRDS - no loot policy was stated, and I immediately recognized my mistake when someone sighed a sullen "of course" when I pulled it.

It might be that what the person was thinking was "of course, that guy out of all of us would pull the red "

[karl_k0ch]

Then some guilds say, "u r luky 2 b hur, gimme ur stufz". I tend to favor the latter one myself

But only because you are hosting it!

Re: Raid Customs.

Some guild runs I join (as a Puggie) have the "Your loot is your loot. <Guild Name> loot is <Guild Name> loot. If something is up for roll, guildies have priority." Some, but not all, guilds additionally require the red scales to be passed to the hosting guild.

[Cauthey]

And to the OP. Being honest, I probably would have come really close, or had actually squelched you for not informing that it was your first time. However, learn from the mistake and dont do it again. Gl on your future evon6 pugs.

Yeah, I'm typically very open and vocal about announcing my first time on anything. I certainly don't want to be the one to cause the fail because I don't know my job.

However, this was a little frustrating for me at the LFM level. I've run into a lot of LFMs for epic content where group join requests are met with nothing but complete silence.

If you don't want me in your group, fine. Decline me. But please don't leave me hanging.

When I saw this eVoN up, I looked over the participants already in the group, and figure "hey, maybe they'll have me." I applied. Silence. More silence.

This has really gotten to the point of seriously ticking me off. I know that telling the leader how to run his PUG is not a good idea. But I'm just so damned tired of people not bothering with any courtesy at all.

So, I sent a tell, "Yes? No? Please - if you do not want me in the group, decline me."

And my response to that was an acceptance to the group. So, I know it's no excuse - but...I was already on uneven footing with this group. I felt that my acceptance to the raid was tenuous at best. I didn't want to further disparage myself by saying, "oh, and by the way, you're going to have to learn me the whole thing cause I'm a newb." So, yes - I was definitely in the wrong for not being forthcoming with that info. And I'll not make that mistake again in the future, regardless of the circumstances that surround the LFM/PUG acceptance.

[PNellesen]

( the guild that says the above normally has very smooth completions, with a few good laughs)

I've run a couple Elite raids with them, and yeah, they've been smoother than most Normal runs

I've never had a real problem with loot either - unless loot rules are stated explicitly before the raid starts, I do whatever I want with loot I pull (and if the rules are otherwise, I'd like to know that so I can drop group gracefully so they can find someone else to fill my spot)

As far as "no response to my request to join" - if I don't get any response in what I consider a "timely" manner, I'll try again then look for another group. I too find it pretty annoying, but having been swamped with join requests on my own LFMs, I understand that sometimes you can miss one when 3 or 4 all come in at close to the same time.

[marios555]

Thank you for accepting me to this afternoon's eVoN!

I apologize for my newbishness in the raid. My ignorance ended up costing SPs, and I will gladly offer a few more Majors for forgiveness when I get them.

I also apologize for pulling my FRDS - no loot policy was stated, and I immediately recognized my mistake when someone sighed a sullen "of course" when I pulled it.

I will do better in my next eVoN, and I hope you will be willing to have me next time.

You should of told us it was your 1st time at evon (especially since you was the only caster )
What i ment with my reply abt we expect pugs to pull what they get is just that.The scale that dropped in your name was yours to do with what you wanted Only reason people react with the "of course" is cause we seem to have really bad luck with scales/shards in evon lately.Anyway grats on your 1st evon6 (next time let people know that its your 1st time cause I thought you knew the drill thats why didnit explain anything)

[Cauthey]

You should of told us it was your 1st time at evon (especially since you was the only caster )
What i ment with my reply abt we expect pugs to pull what they get is just that.The scale that dropped in your name was yours to do with what you wanted Only reason people react with the "of course" is cause we seem to have really bad luck with scales/shards in evon lately.Anyway grats on your 1st evon6 (next time let people know that its your 1st time cause I thought you knew the drill thats why didnit explain anything)

Gotcha.

Thank you for allowing me to join, and your patience with me. And if it's any help to allowing me to join again in another run, I will happily follow along with your guild run loot rules, and turn everything over to the leader.

[Eladiun]

I think this was a guild run with a couple of PUG fills, so perhaps they didn't see the necessity in explaining looting procedure. After I had pulled it, I asked if I had screwed up. I was answered with "we usually expect PUGers to just pull." I'm not sure if that was forgiveness, or dismissive disdain.

LOL, if it's in your name it is yours. FRDS are worth way too much to just put them up for roll because someone says so.

However, you really do need to let people know it's your first time.

[ChadB123]

You should of told us it was your 1st time at evon (especially since you was the only caster )

I should have known it was deli's group he was in....elitist jerk. D:

[marios555]

Gotcha.

Thank you for allowing me to join, and your patience with me. And if it's any help to allowing me to join again in another run, I will happily follow along with your guild run loot rules, and turn everything over to the leader.

You dont need to pass your loot to anybody the only thing we do say is that if you dont need your loot to pas it to leader to go for roll to all.

[Roderickus]

I dunno man.. maybe it's just my common sense talking, but it's a piece of unbound loot from a raid. I'd "roll off" my Red Scale just about as much as I'd roll off a Large Scale/Stone/Shrapnel from Shroud. Even if I don't need it, it's trade loot, and it popped in my name. After all, most people use Red Scales as a form of currency - and giving out free money seems like a bad idea.

Well said. As stated above it wasn't the case but saw once somebody posting an lfm which said that the red scales are "reserved". Idiocy.

No matter if the loot is bound or non-bound, nobody wants to run the raid only to give up any potential loot they might get.

[marios555]

i Should Have Known It Was Deli's Group He Was In....elitist Jerk. D:

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