My morning LolShroud.

[TheDearLeader]

85% of people that apply to my daily PUGs do not reach these requirements.

Pale Masters.

No Pulse, just sayin.

[Ilindith]

Pale Masters.

No Pulse, just sayin.

If only it was that instead of the other one.

[SupTyr]

Funny story bro... except for the last part where you call the newb a fail.

Ok, the heat of the battle... but why do you screenshot and brag on the forums about it? Makes me wonder if you are one of those people that get there lolz out of calling other people a fail.

PS: Yes, I'm a forum newb. So go ahead and call me a fail or neg rep me

[TheDearLeader]

Funny story bro... except for the last part where you call the newb a fail.

Ok, the heat of the battle... but why do you screenshot and brag on the forums about it? Makes me wonder if you are one of those people that get there lolz out of calling other people a fail.

PS: Yes, I'm a forum newb. So go ahead and call me a fail or neg rep me

Haven't negged a soul in this thread yet. No need to now.

"The Sorc's a fail" is a fast and effective way of communicating to someone else the reason as to which I need their assistance.

The chat box is for context. In the time I'd typed two lines - quickly so - s/he had already completely invalidated themselves for the job they were, and will continue to be expected to do in the future.

Maybe the moral of the first post is "If you don't know what you're doing, say something. Also, stop whatever it is you're doing, because it's probably wrong."

[MyHumps]

I heard The Silent Accord is recruiting. How do I join such an uber guild?

[TheDearLeader]

I heard The Silent Accord is recruiting. How do I join such an uber guild?

You're funny, you. You got jokes.

The Silent Accord - the most elite group of bank toons evar.

[MyHumps]

You're funny, you. You got jokes.

The Silent Accord - the most elite group of bank toons evar.

Aneist is just a bank toon now? How times have changed!

[RangerOne]

Haven't played an arcane in the shroud. But it begs the question; is the crystal only damaged by spells. Or can my ranger Manshot it, because I am sick of being the Evasion/Fire Elemental guy.

[TheDearLeader]

Aneist is just a bank toon now? How times have changed!

Meh, I still dust him off for the Epic raids every now and then. But with 7 level 20 Toons, I'm finding myself enjoying the Specialists (The Rogue Oschkosch, Spellsinger Hobadash, Warchanter Festivius) more.

But yeah, if you look at the roster, there's like 4 level 20s, and 20 level 4s XD good times.

[Thrudh]

Pretty smooth run, actually. Portals went down fast, 1/2 of the FvS had Divine Punishment, Harry was a one-rounder, no unusual deaths. Puzzles solved in a reasonable manner.

Oh... save for that Part 2 thing.

Put it out to your guildies running Arcanes for the first time. If they are the only Arcane in a Shroud, they will likely be asked to handle the Crystal.

So we have this Water Savant, yeah? I like Water Savants. Maybe because I play one.

The Sorc is Mysterious man "S".



So.. yeah. In the end, me and the other Bard Greater Shout-ed the Crystal to death.

Thank you for this morning's excitement, Mr. S.

Now, for the helpful part...

Sarlona, in every young caster's life, there may come a time when the party depends on them to do a certain job. If such is the case, it is probably smart to stop what you're doing, and wait for clear instructions on what is necessary of you... not to Polar Ray and DoT Kasquik until no one can tear him away from you in the time it takes me to type two sentences.

The Crystal in Part 2 can be dropped (normally) with a Single Disintegrate. And if not, a Disintegrate + Polar Ray Combo.

Here is what happens in normal slow-mo parties:

• We clear trash.
• Some buffs might get tossed.
• Someone goes to pull.
• After mobs are pulled, and all four are aggro-ed onto someone else, you as the Sorc/Wiz go up to the crystal, which is in the center of the map.
• At this point, it has a barrier around it - we'll get to that.
• The four boss mobs get prepped. When all are prepped, they get killed.
• When all four are dead, that nasty barrier around the Crystal goes down.
• Disintegrate.
• Polar Ray.
• Disintegrate.
• Polar Ray.
• Repeat these two until there is no longer a Crystal.
• Loot.
• Move on to Part 3.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

Sorry you (and the leader) fail, not the sorc... You gave him almost no meaningful instructions, and you didn't ask him to take the crystal until after you guys had already engaged the lieutenants.

If a caster has never done the crystal before, it's quite likely he may not even know where the crystal IS.

Caster was a newb, not a noob. There's a big difference.

[Thrudh]

You could have, you know, actually explained to the sorc the mechanics of destroying the crystal. Like how you have to mouse, or wait for the barrier to drop to target it. You could have also shown him where the crystal is located, but having him guess works too. If you had provided him the instructions in this post before the start of part 2, then there would have more than likely been no problem, but from the screenshot that didn't happen. Looks like an explanation fail to me, but it's cool to make fun of new people, so carry on.

This. +1

[MyHumps]

Haven't played an arcane in the shroud. But it begs the question; is the crystal only damaged by spells. Or can my ranger Manshot it, because I am sick of being the Evasion/Fire Elemental guy.

Yes. It's just like every other crystal in the game. Go manyshot it, have a blast.

Meh, I still dust him off for the Epic raids every now and then. But with 7 level 20 Toons, I'm finding myself enjoying the Specialists (The Rogue Oschkosch, Spellsinger Hobadash, Warchanter Festivius) more.

But yeah, if you look at the roster, there's like 4 level 20s, and 20 level 4s XD good times.

Guess you're stuck with EW!

[Thrudh]

Haven't played an arcane in the shroud. But it begs the question; is the crystal only damaged by spells. Or can my ranger Manshot it, because I am sick of being the Evasion/Fire Elemental guy.

You can manyshot it...

I often run towards the crystal as the last lieutenant falls, just in case the caster messes up... Over the years, I've manyshot the crystal to save the day about 4 times.

[TheDearLeader]

Haven't played an arcane in the shroud. But it begs the question; is the crystal only damaged by spells. Or can my ranger Manshot it, because I am sick of being the Evasion/Fire Elemental guy.

Sure, other things can damage it. A one shot disintegrate just happens to be the most convenient.

Sorry you (and the leader) fail, not the sorc... You gave him almost no meaningful instructions, and you didn't ask him to take the crystal until after you guys had already engaged the lieutenants.

If a caster has never done the crystal before, it's quite likely he may not even know where the crystal IS.

Caster was a newb, not a noob. There's a big difference.

I was the leader. That's actually been discussed.

I'm sorry that in hundreds of Shroud completions, I occasionally forget to ask "is anyone here new?", especially when half the party doesn't speak English.

And by sorry, I meant that I'm not. Sorc should've spoken up and said "I'm a newb". Sorc should've stopped what they were doing when they were aware they had a "job", instead of randomly blasting the closest thing to them until they had unshakeable aggro of it.

But hey, you're right, we should all just hold hands, and coddle, and assume that it's everyone's first time in a - and yeah, I'ma say it again -

Three.
Year.
Old.
Raid.

Edit : To add to this, as has been echoed by those who know of my actual conduct in game, I am more than happy to give someone an exhaustive explanation, via text or audio, of what their perceived "job" will be in a raid. I have absolutely no problems with that. But it's these people who ninja their way into raids without speaking up, and then continue doing their own thing after being alerted that maybe they need to do something *not* their own thing, that gets on my nerves.

The new content? Master Artificer, Lord of Blades? Yeah, I'm asking who is new. I'm asking before we even get into the explorable. But Shroud? C'mon. It's Shroud. And I sure as hell remember my first for each and every raid, and telling my party leaders as a matter of courtesy "hey man, I'm new, that a problem? What should I prepare/bring? Any tips?"

But I guess that's gone to the wayside.

[clkpacker]

And by sorry, I meant that I'm not. Sorc should've spoken up and said "I'm a newb". Sorc should've stopped what they were doing when they were aware they had a "job", instead of randomly blasting the closest thing to them until they had unshakeable aggro of it.

The whole crystal issue should've been sorted before anything was close enough for the sorc to blast. Especially if there were potential language issues (it may have taken the sorc a minute to translate the sentence asking him to do something). It's a fail for all involved parties, really.

If I was told I had a job, I wouldn't stop attacking. I'd keep killing things until the job was explained to me. Expecting a new player to know that it's bad for them to have aggro if they're the crystal-breaker is asking a bit much, especially if they're used to snatching up aggro with their spells.

Three.
Year.
Old.
Raid.

Brand new players come in every day. I wouldn't expect hand-holding from anyone on this raid, but I'd make sure I had my essential jobs covered before actually reaching a critical point. The whole thing could've been avoided by making sure the sorc knew he was on crystal before the lieutenants were pulled.

[MyHumps]

I think everyone needs to relax and listen to this freakin awesome song with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiJ2B8PFjqU

[TheDearLeader]

If I was told I had a job, I wouldn't stop attacking. I'd keep killing things until the job was explained to me. Expecting a new player to know that it's bad for them to have aggro if they're the crystal-breaker is asking a bit much, especially if they're used to snatching up aggro with their spells.

Then you're as silly as them. Having a job means a change - means something different from the norm.

If the norm is blasting indiscriminately, then stop that until you know what the new norm is.

Brand new players come in every day. I wouldn't expect hand-holding from anyone on this raid, but I'd make sure I had my essential jobs covered before actually reaching a critical point. The whole thing could've been avoided by making sure the sorc knew he was on crystal before the lieutenants were pulled.

The whole thing could've been avoided by the Sorc saying he was new when he popped into the party. He was the second to join, and we were by no means fast to fill. In that time, I could have given him a full rundown of the entire raid, and picked up a second, "seasoned" caster to ensure he had someone able to mentor him by "monkey see, monkey do" tactics.

But no. He remained silent until someone pointed him out. His first time with crystals makes him a newb. Not saying a thing about it for the twenty minutes we took to fill made him a noob.

You're right, though - brand new players do come in every day. Is it so hard for them to inform someone of that fact? I'll even take a tell - wouldn't be the first time.

[MyHumps]

You sound so angry, Aneist.

[TheDearLeader]

You sound so angry, Aneist.

Rage does have a longer duration than Haste.

[Thrudh]

Three.
Year.
Old.
Raid.

So everyone who plays this game has been here three years? Everyday someone runs the Shroud for the first time.

The sorc screwed up. He should have said he was new... But he was not "fail". That's what gets me most. That you sent that tell, taking zero responsibility. Most vets on that run, seeing that party chat would be thinking that you, the leader, also failed.

You had some responsibility here. Own up to it. I always make sure everyone knows their job in a PUG with unknown players BEFORE I pull everything from the middle.

And I sure as hell remember my first for each and every raid, and telling my party leaders as a matter of courtesy "hey man, I'm new, that a problem? What should I prepare/bring? Any tips?"

It's also possible he's done the raid 5-10 times already, but never had to do the crystal, so he didn't realize he needed to ask for special instructions.