My morning LolShroud.

[TheDearLeader]

Pretty smooth run, actually. Portals went down fast, 1/2 of the FvS had Divine Punishment, Harry was a one-rounder, no unusual deaths. Puzzles solved in a reasonable manner.

Oh... save for that Part 2 thing.

Put it out to your guildies running Arcanes for the first time. If they are the only Arcane in a Shroud, they will likely be asked to handle the Crystal.

So we have this Water Savant, yeah? I like Water Savants. Maybe because I play one.

The Sorc is Mysterious man "S".



So.. yeah. In the end, me and the other Bard Greater Shout-ed the Crystal to death.

Thank you for this morning's excitement, Mr. S.

Now, for the helpful part...

Sarlona, in every young caster's life, there may come a time when the party depends on them to do a certain job. If such is the case, it is probably smart to stop what you're doing, and wait for clear instructions on what is necessary of you... not to Polar Ray and DoT Kasquik until no one can tear him away from you in the time it takes me to type two sentences.

The Crystal in Part 2 can be dropped (normally) with a Single Disintegrate. And if not, a Disintegrate + Polar Ray Combo.

Here is what happens in normal slow-mo parties:

• We clear trash.
• Some buffs might get tossed.
• Someone goes to pull.
• After mobs are pulled, and all four are aggro-ed onto someone else, you as the Sorc/Wiz go up to the crystal, which is in the center of the map.
• At this point, it has a barrier around it - we'll get to that.
• The four boss mobs get prepped. When all are prepped, they get killed.
• When all four are dead, that nasty barrier around the Crystal goes down.
• Disintegrate.
• Polar Ray.
• Disintegrate.
• Polar Ray.
• Repeat these two until there is no longer a Crystal.
• Loot.
• Move on to Part 3.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

[twigzz]

It takes more than 1 disintegrate? I never pay attention lol, wait for barrier to fall, target crystal, hit 2(dis key) and run to loot.

[PNellesen]

What, there were no Rangers to Manyshot it?? Heck, even if they helped drop the bosses they can still run up there fast enough to take out the crystal

[TheDearLeader]

It takes more than 1 disintegrate? I never pay attention lol, wait for barrier to fall, target crystal, hit 2(dis key) and run to loot.

It only takes 1. But I thought I'd add the extra spells for safety purposes. That, or in case someone neglected Empower, Maximize, and Superior Potency VI.

Or hey, I suppose the Crystal can roll a 20 on it's save every now and then. Might not break. /shrug

[rest]

It takes more than 1 disintegrate? I never pay attention lol, wait for barrier to fall, target crystal, hit 2(dis key) and run to loot.

Heeeeeeey 2 is my disintegrate key too.

[fool101]

Similar thing happened to me last night.

There were two arcanes in the raid, neither had ever done crystal.

One volunteers and says it shouldn't be a problem. Fire goes down... Nothing. People start yelling to get the crystal. The sorc says "it hasn't appeared yet", followed by "where is it"

Then another says "look up".

Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny and I think most other people did too. It took a second round of killing but no other bumps in that Shroud.

[thisgamesull]

This should be posted in the Acievement section

[Elaril]

You could have, you know, actually explained to the sorc the mechanics of destroying the crystal. Like how you have to mouse, or wait for the barrier to drop to target it. You could have also shown him where the crystal is located, but having him guess works too. If you had provided him the instructions in this post before the start of part 2, then there would have more than likely been no problem, but from the screenshot that didn't happen. Looks like an explanation fail to me, but it's cool to make fun of new people, so carry on.

[9Crows]

agree with ^ that guy this looks like another assume everyyone knows everthing about every quest/raid thread so lets ridicule and act condesending to the people who dont.if you read blogs forums facebook and other social media sites you find out that #1 reason people quit ddo is not bugs or game its because of the player base

[TheDearLeader]

You could have, you know, actually explained to the sorc the mechanics of destroying the crystal. Like how you have to mouse, or wait for the barrier to drop to target it. You could have also shown him where the crystal is located, but having him guess works too. If you had provided him the instructions in this post before the start of part 2, then there would have more than likely been no problem, but from the screenshot that didn't happen. Looks like an explanation fail to me, but it's cool to make fun of new people, so carry on.

Considering by the time I got out those two (rather fast) lines of information, he'd already glued Kasquik to him - yeah, I wasn't going to bother.

Saying "I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO GUYZ!!!oneone!11!" And then proceeding to blast the closest mob with every spell in your list is not the way to get me to explain stuff to you.

And to the both of you - maybe you didn't read the full post? You know, the part where I do indeed go on to explain in this post how to be an Arcane in Part 2 of the Shroud.

Edit : Ohwait... Thelanis? I thought I posted this in Sarlona.. oh I did. What are you doing here? Shoo.

agree with ^ that guy this looks like another assume everyyone knows everthing about every quest/raid thread so lets ridicule and act condesending to the people who dont.if you read blogs forums facebook and other social media sites you find out that #1 reason people quit ddo is not bugs or game its because of the player base

Sorry, don't read Facebook/Blogs/Social Media sites. The forums is plenty enough garbage for me, but please don't let that stop you.

As for not explaining it - it's Shroud. It is now three years old. It has been a part of the game since well before I joined this game.

If someone doesn't know something, it's as simple as "hey guys, first timer" or "Hi y'all, haven't done this much", etc. I've spent entire runs typing out a **** thesis statement making sure people know exactly where and how to be. But no, instead of receiving this courtesy, the player joined, and when asked to do a common task for their class, instead said "Oh I don't know how George!" and proceeded to do their own thing anyway.

Sorry that in the time he'd burned 600 SP on a single miniboss, I didn't have time for the "hold-your-hand explanation" that you two seem to be hoping for. Maybe if Mr. Itchy Fingers hadn't started blasting like it was going out of style, I would have had an opportunity.

But hey, I'm a bad guy. If it makes you feel better about yourself, that is.

[TheDearLeader]

It takes more than 1 disintegrate? I never pay attention lol, wait for barrier to fall, target crystal, hit 2(dis key) and run to loot.

Heeeeeeey 2 is my disintegrate key too.

To join in the fun, 1 is my Disintegrate Key. Although for a fee, I may join the club...

[9Crows]

Sorry, don't read Facebook/Blogs/Social Media sites. The forums is plenty enough garbage for me, but please don't let that stop you.

well that pretty much sums it up other peoples experience,impressions and interactions in the game are "garbage" kinda explains this thread

[Nadalis]

Similar thing happened to me last night.

There were two arcanes in the raid, neither had ever done crystal.

One volunteers and says it shouldn't be a problem. Fire goes down... Nothing. People start yelling to get the crystal. The sorc says "it hasn't appeared yet", followed by "where is it"

Then another says "look up".

Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny and I think most other people did too. It took a second round of killing but no other bumps in that Shroud.

Let's just say, "Guilty as charged."

It's a classic example of, "You don't know what you don't know." And those teaching you forget what you don't know.

That was me exactly on my first shroud run. Not just with my sorc, but ever (sorc was my first character to cap). Guild leader gave me instructions to destroy the crystal with firewall (pre firewall nerf). Before I was a water savant, I thought that was my sole responsibility in part two: pike and then destroy crystal. Anyway back to story at hand, they killed the lieutenants and I didn't kill the crystal. I let them know that the crystal seemed impervious to my firewalls. Guild leader runs into the center and just busts up laughing over party chat. He shared my newbness to everyone else once he finally caught his breath from laughing, "I don't think I've seen so many firewalls in one room before. You guys got to see this, Asterphen has literally covered the walls, and floor, basically everywhere but the ceiling with firewalls."

No one told me the crystal was on the ceiling, I kept waiting for it to appear in the middle of the room.

Ya live, ya learn, ya have fun playing the game.

EDIT:
I want to make sure the tone of my post is accurate. I want to make sure I am not piling on or adding fuel to the fire, just sharing my funny experience too. I, along with everyone else, had a good laugh at my expense for not knowing how to destroy crystal correctly. My guild uses voice, and my guild leader is a good friend. I took it lightly and not personally, no one got mad and noe one made fun of me. Again ya live, ya learn, and I have fun

[TheDearLeader]

Sorry, don't read Facebook/Blogs/Social Media sites. The forums is plenty enough garbage for me, but please don't let that stop you.

well that pretty much sums it up other peoples experience,impressions and interactions in the game are "garbage" kinda explains this thread

The fact that the above was the only thing you took away from my post kind of explains you.

Keep feeling good about yourself. Also, learn to quote.

[9Crows]

that qoute explained the whole op.some people get thier feel goods from denigrating others over silly things like games and others dont

[Elaril]

And to the both of you - maybe you didn't read the full post? You know, the part where I do indeed go on to explain in this post how to be an Arcane in Part 2 of the Shroud.

My post was shorter than yours, but you obviously didn't read it. My only real issue with your op is that you are basically mocking a player for being new and not reading your mind. Yes, he could have owned up to being new, but he didn't. Did you ask if anyone was new? Either way, not saying you are a bad guy or anything, just providing an outside viewpoint and a suggestion on how to better handle situations like these in the future.

[TheDearLeader]

My post was shorter than yours, but you obviously didn't read it. My only real issue with your op is that you are basically mocking a player for being new and not reading your mind. Yes, he could have owned up to being new, but he didn't. Did you ask if anyone was new? Either way, not saying you are a bad guy or anything, just providing an outside viewpoint and a suggestion on how to better handle situations like these in the future.

I normally ask if someone's new. Of course, being it was on Sarlona @ 9 in AM, and I don't speak Chinese, I wasn't especially chatty. That in no way excuses the fact that the player did not take it upon himself/herself to let it be known.

And for the third time - It isn't like I didn't *try* getting out an explanation mid-combat. And instead of stopping, and listening/reading... he started blowing SP faster than Quarters at an Arcade. Maybe it's me and my common sense activating, but if someone wants me to do something, and I express my inability to do it for lack of knowledge, I stop what the hell I'm doing and listen. Maybe that's just the Army in me, I dunno.

S/he didn't have to read my mind - but immediately grabbing the aggro of the first mob that definitely is not shaped like a crystal seems to be the worst idea when I ask someone to "handle the crystal".

In effect, you're saying that I'm mocking him for not reading my mind - well, guess what, party leaders aren't mind readers, either. It's on new players to state that they are new, especially in a Three-year-old raid.

[Elaril]

I'm not saying he was right. I'm saying you were wrong in my opinion. First, for not making sure the most critical role in part 2 was manned by someone who understood what they were doing. And second for bringing the issue to the forums. If for no other reason than it's not particularly newsworthy or amusing that a new player messed something up.

[katz]

hmm. reminds me of the last time i ran shroud on my FvS. 3 arcanes (2 sorc and a wiz, ONE of whom admitted to being a first timer), and 4 divines (3 FvS, 1 clr)

i have NO idea how we managed to complete. the wiz (i think, i'm fuzzy on the details now) knew how to do crystal, but apparently none of them knew portal order. about 1/3 of the way thru part 1 i started running portal order... my wis-dumped heal-specced no-destruction no-slay living no-implosion no-cometfall no-greater command wuss of a FvS. i relied on my vorpal scimmies, shoulder cannon, and blade barrier. one got one additional portal keeper after the first one prompted me to peel off from the group (where i had been happily whaling away with my smiting scimitars on the portals)

at part 4 one of the other FvS announced they were not a healer, they were going to DPS. fine. i got this. lag + quicken-bug = 2 dead pretty quick. managed to pull out part 4 as a 2 rounder.

round 5 took FOREVER. and despite 4 divines i felt like i was solo healing it (i know i wasn't, but dang). had a death or two due to one of the other healers targeting the wrong person for mass heals. turned out they targeted the "i'm going to DPS" FvS. who wasn't actually in melee.

it was an interesting run, to say the least

[Ilindith]

If you have a friggin pulse and an IQ above 7

85% of people that apply to my daily PUGs do not reach these requirements.