Ranger Hate

[Gremmlynn]

Where on earth did you get the notion that you should be able to solo Elite as a 28-point no TR with no twink gear, and as a new player who haven't run the quests a lot? Why not stick to Normal, as your character and skill level likely is "Normal" at this point?
Edit: And just save Elite for questing in groups, or for your next life. Normal downscales in difficulty quite much for party size, and thus for solo play, Hard less so, and Elite even less.

It's doable, one must just play slowly and cautiously. A high tolerance for failure is also useful for this as it will happen often. Just makes the completions that much sweeter.

[NaturalHazard]

I want to askthis quietly but how far behind are rangers in the dps department vs favoured enemies? Because I don't think its as much as people make it out to be? Ive tanked suulo on my ranger and the epic conjoined abishai with barbarians with ESOS and epic marilth chain, multiple trs beating on their backs and still kept aggro fine. And no it was a 6 pally splash ranger. I used manyshot at the start and when it was off timmer with litII bow and silver arrows, someone suggested it would help me maintain aggro, seemed to help.

Joined my guildies tod run just before, he said **** man your bard would of been better, I had to remind him hey man remember when I tanked your hard suulo? Epic Abishai? lol that changed his tune. hes also handy for soloing the jailor while everyone kills the judge, done it on hard elite before the update. I laugh when I get people exclaiming that its *impossible* for a ranger to do that. Its kinda hard for them to grasp because if a ranger can do that, it means that they are useful contributing members of the party and not someone that you go, **** we have a ranger too bad we dont have a barbarian or fighter in that dps spot ZOMG!!! moar dead weight!!

Its especially sad when its a well geared/built well played ranger and you take a poorly geared/built poorly played barberian/fighter whatever instead because of the class symbol.

[Algreg]

I take my time, that's why I solo, I want to RP and enjoy the quest. Still, sometimes you just get ambushed like that..

How on earth do you rp solo???

[y0himba.net]

I added a level of Rogue and a level of fighter to my Dwarf Ranger. I get darn good DPS when dual wielding, yet can pull out a bow and manyshot between 80 and 145, 4 or 5 hits a shot for 20 seconds.

I have no issues soloing the majority of quests that can be soloed. Occasionally I take along a FVS hireling.

I don't see the issue with Rangers at all. If you have a Ranger along to Range casters or hard to kill targets, with manyshot for 20 seconds it is a real benefit. Maybe there should be more strategy and patience rather than DPS?

[LFB]

because there is rarely more than 5 mobs at a time, and if the 2 that you aren't kiting around die in second, then everyone spends a few minutes chasing aroudn the 2-3 your kiting, it's annoying.

It would be a different story if a Ranger could hike up his skirt and block once the other mobs are dispatched. Continuing to kite is selfish and solely about kill count. I appreciate thinning the herd to make it easier for the casters and melees to stomp the rest of the mobs; that is strategy and team play. But, I wholeheartedly agree that its a waste of time chasing kited mobs all over a dungeon...personally I dont. Unfortunately some do, and that stalls quest progress out. Not that i hate rangers, but well played ones are few and far between. I have a limited amount of time to play and I dont want to spend it watching a crappily rolled ranger plugging away at an orc with +1 dragon slaying Arrows

[Miow]

From my point of view:

Yes, kiting is a problem, whether you think you can "take care of yourself" or not.

Solo and do it. It is not for a group, not in my eyes - if I have the choice between a ranger kiting one mob not with the group, or a fighter/barb/monk/paladin/rogue/<insert here> that is working WITH and staying WITH the group, I'm picking the anything except the kiter....

To me (and many others) kiting is not generally efficient from a group standpoint, it isn't better - it is a solo way to play. To me and many others, you hurt the group by not being on the same page, whether you like to admit it to yourself or not.

Some could argue that some clerics/favored soul play like they are soloing, minimal heals and buffs too buzzah casting destruction and doing melee. People die when they really shouldn't, been there seen that.

[Lakeland]

Returning player here who's played many variations of ranged class and I found quickly that players didn't want to chase mobs I argo, and I understand this. The second problem I found out was that other players actually got mad if I pulled and killed mobs before they got to the group. I found this at low and mid levels mostly (Gwylan's Stand is great for this, I could easily solo it but would group if I saw a group looking for more). Bottom line is in a group people want to be included even if your doing things that don't hurt anyone and actually help the group. I would change my style in a group and work with them instead of doing my own thing even if it was effective.

[NaturalHazard]

Returning player here who's played many variations of ranged class and I found quickly that players didn't want to chase mobs I argo, and I understand this. The second problem I found out was that other players actually got mad if I pulled and killed mobs before they got to the group. I found this at low and mid levels mostly (Gwylan's Stand is great for this, I could easily solo it but would group if I saw a group looking for more). Bottom line is in a group people want to be included even if your doing things that don't hurt anyone and actually help the group. I would change my style in a group and work with them instead of doing my own thing even if it was effective.

wow never had people that got angry at me for killing stuff before they could get to it.

I guess they wont enjoy playing with arcane and divine casters with all the instant death, wail here, fod there, off goes an implosion, mobs all go poof, somewhere a little barbarian waits........... and crys.

[Lakeland]

wow never had people that got angry at me for killing stuff before they could get to it.

I guess they wont enjoy playing with arcane and divine casters with all the instant death, wail here, fod there, off goes an implosion, mobs all go poof, somewhere a little barbarian waits........... and crys.

I didn't think I was doing anything bad, helping the group killing stuff can't be bad right? Wrong, I seriously got flack (quite a bit of it) for killing things without letting the melee get involved.

Funny thing is with my Sorc I never heard a thing if I insta killed things. I honestly never thought of that. People are funny.

[NaturalHazard]

I didn't think I was doing anything bad, helping the group killing stuff can't be bad right? Wrong, I seriously got flack (quite a bit of it) for killing things without letting the melee get involved.

Funny thing is with my Sorc I never heard a thing if I insta killed things. I honestly never thought of that. People are funny.

meh some people take the kill counts too seriously, if i was on a non caster melee and i was feeling out of place I would pull out a throwing weapon if I was on that run, at low levels even throwing weapons can kill some things before they get close, heh that way I might even steal some of your kills.

Also thats why I think some barbarians and kensai kick up a fuss when the leader puts a DOS or SD type to tank horoth in TOD instead of them. Sure the DOS or DS is the way better choice for the party epsecially the healers but the barbarian/kensai looks at the kill count and sees the rogue or casters beating him so he wants to look uber, then he spouts some nonsense thats its impossible for anyone to hold aggro off of him. Why because he can then harp on while the healers are struggling to keep him alive about how AWESOME and uber he is, and if anyone brings up kill count he can say well I was busy tanking so there.

Not that kill counts matter, and even if hes beating on a bosses back hes still contributing a lot ot the raid but some people always want to be in the spotlight, and want the rest of us to oooohhhh aaaaa and make all the appropriate noises while we bask in their briliance.

and also there is real ranger hate out there, not at how people play the class but at the class itself, and they cant take a ranger outdoing them. Its like having someone with a bad disability beating you at something to them, it doesnt look good.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Some could argue that some clerics/favored soul play like they are soloing, minimal heals and buffs too buzzah casting destruction and doing melee. People die when they really shouldn't, been there seen that.

Blade Barrier would have been a better example IMO.

My melee toons have been really annoyed at having to chase stuff through BBs before.

But BB usually does more DPS than non-manyshot bows.

[FengXian]

meh some people take the kill counts too seriously, if i was on a non caster melee and i was feeling out of place I would pull out a throwing weapon if I was on that run, at low levels even throwing weapons can kill some things before they get close, heh that way I might even steal some of your kills.

Also thats why I think some barbarians and kensai kick up a fuss when the leader puts a DOS or SD type to tank horoth in TOD instead of them. Sure the DOS or DS is the way better choice for the party epsecially the healers but the barbarian/kensai looks at the kill count and sees the rogue or casters beating him so he wants to look uber, then he spouts some nonsense thats its impossible for anyone to hold aggro off of him. Why because he can then harp on while the healers are struggling to keep him alive about how AWESOME and uber he is, and if anyone brings up kill count he can say well I was busy tanking so there.

Not that kill counts matter, and even if hes beating on a bosses back hes still contributing a lot ot the raid but some people always want to be in the spotlight, and want the rest of us to oooohhhh aaaaa and make all the appropriate noises while we bask in their briliance.

and also there is real ranger hate out there, not at how people play the class but at the class itself, and they cant take a ranger outdoing them. Its like having someone with a bad disability beating you at something to them, it doesnt look good.

I'm afraid you might be right O_o

About ranger hate, yeah, I think I've been rejected from a tempest spine at level run on my ranger's 3d life for n reason. I do happen to (seldom) see lfm's without the ranger icon in them (like all classes but ranger and rogue etc).

The conforting thing is that usually the people that put those lfm's up are bads, and by getting refused you prolly save yourself a long, painful wipe. I don't recall any good player turning down a toon because of its class (talking about dps lfm situations ofc)...

[Razcar]

How on earth do you rp solo???

Hehe, maybe with a hireling or a summons? Hmm sounds kinda kinky... "Hello there Mr/Miss Hezrou, I see you've forgotten your pants again today..."

I do have a guildy who has a crush on Natasha