Threat Gear and Stacking

[Ota]

if there is already something out there on that awesome but i wanted to know

what are all the items out there that can provide threat or hate generation?
how do they stack?

[Feithlin]

There was a post from Eladrin, some time ago, stating that usually, various non identical bonuses stack (like dodge), i.e. +10% stacks with +20%, but +20% doesn't with another +20%.
There was also an old post from a knowledgeable forumist (can't remember who though, I think it was Junts but I'm unsure) stating that Divine righteousness (Paladin 6 enhancement, giving a clicky granting +100% threat) doesn't stack with DoS stance (same class type) but does with SD stance (different class type).
It is a safe assumption that the stance bonus stacks with any item.

That being said, it was a general statement from him, and it's a bit difficult to test since there is nothing in the combat log to let us know.

* Edit: The list is probably not exhaustive, here are some bonuses:
* +10%: Eldritch rune, non epic Claw set, Brute Fighting I (Horc, WF), epic Chimera's Fang (2+ dragonmarks)
* +15%: Tempest rune, ToD SD & DoS sets, Brute Fighting II (Horc, WF), epic Chimera's Fang (3 dragonmarks)
* +20%: Sov. rune, crafted suffix (weapon or shield), epic Claw set, Brute Fighting III (Horc, WF), Levik's set (2 pieces), epic Chimera's Fang (3 dragonmarks of the Sentinel)
* +25%: Brute Fighting IV (Horc, WF), SD/DoS I stance
* +30%: Levik's set (3 pieces)
* +50%: SD/DoS II stance
* +75%: SD/DoS III stance
* +100%: Divine righteousness (Pal 6 enh.)

*Edit: SD & DoS now get an automatic bonus to threat when using a shield: +25%/+50% or +75% (I, II & III). The release notes state that it's an "additional threat from all sources". Does it apply multiplicaly at the end or additionaly like the others?

Additionaly, a successful intimidate check adds +50% for 6 sec. every 18 sec., or +100% for 12 sec. every 18 sec. if wearing a shield.

And finally, all threat bonuses stack additionally (from Eladrin).

[Ota]

thank you

[lugoman]

The Stalwart Defender threat from the stance description is listed as a competence bonus. Makes me wonder if the same enhancement, competence, insight, guild and psionic mechanic exist for threat.

[Feithlin]

The Stalwart Defender threat from the stance description is listed as a competence bonus. Makes me wonder if the same enhancement, competence, insight, guild and psionic mechanic exist for threat.

It probably does, but sadly most bonuses are indicated without any type, making it difficult to know if some would stack with others. The usual assumption is that all items give the same bonus type.

[sweez]

I *think* brute force enhancements stack with everything, since they're enhancements, but have no idea how to test this

[blade_of_will]

Would be interesting/important to know if enhancement/item/intimidate types of the same % stack with each other (100% paladin enhancement with intim+shield 100% for example).

[butlerfamilywa]

There is also 75% threat from a SD or DoS wearing a shield... then an additional 75% while in Tier 3 stance...

basically a Paladin is looking at 10%/15%/20% from Epic Chim Fang, then 75% shield, 75% stance, 100% intim, 100% clickie..

[Feithlin]

There is also 75% threat from a SD or DoS wearing a shield... then an additional 75% while in Tier 3 stance...

basically a Paladin is looking at 10%/15%/20% from Epic Chim Fang, then 75% shield, 75% stance, 100% intim, 100% clickie..

Not sure what you're talking about, but yes, I forgot the raw bonus of +25% hate generation for DoS II (you don't need to use a shield to benefit from it).
*Edit: My bad, I missed that part in the release notes. Yes, DoS and SD now get a raw +25%/+50%/+75% when using a shield. It is stating as "increasing the threat from all sources", so does it apply multiplicatively at the end?

The DoS stance doesn't stack with Divine righteousness.
The threat bonus from epic Chimera's Fang is only obtained if you have 2 dragonmarks (+10%), 3 dragonmarks (+15%, for +25% total) or 3 Sentinel dragonmarks (+20%, for +45% total). IMO, it would be an error to take 3 dragonmarks on a DoS, which is so starved on feats. You'd better use those feats for dps and/or self healing.

I'll change the previous post to include those bonuses.