The Time is right for the Dwarven Defender PRE

[grodon9999]

If we're gonna have ridiculous 80% fort bosses, the time is right for ubber-melees wielding dwarf-axes.

Make it so for U12.

[cdemeritt]

Wait... run that through the translation matrix again.... No, that's not it.. Still doesn't make sense... So Say What?

[Ravoc-DDO]

I'm guessing that in 6 months, the only melee class still played will be monk.

[KainLionheart]

I'm guessing that in 6 months, the only melee class still played will be monk.

I'm going to go out on a whim here and guess that doesn't happen.

[Rakian_Knight]

Um.... you do realize that Dwarven Defender is more of a tanky kind of....well Defender.

[Leatherneck]

i'm Guessing That In 6 Months, The Only Melee Class Still Played Will Be Monk.

Ddddddddddoooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmm!

[honkuimushi]

Um.... you do realize that Dwarven Defender is more of a tanky kind of....well Defender.

When Stalwart Defender was announced it was presented as a Dwarven Defender without the racial restriction. But dwarves were supposed to get it regardless of class, just like elves can take Arcane Archer even if they don't have enough Ranger levels to qualify, or even any Ranger levels at all.

But that was about 2 years ago. We've seen all 3 tiers be released and even seen the stances buffed. But we still haven't gotten the Dwarven Defender. I just think he's saying that it's time to give dwarves their PrE.

[grodon9999]

Um.... you do realize that Dwarven Defender is more of a tanky kind of....well Defender.

Yes, but Dorf Defender Dark monk or Tempest Ranger is looking really good right now.

[Rakian_Knight]

Yes, but Dorf Defender Dark monk or Tempest Ranger is looking really good right now.

I understand the idea behind wanting more racial PrE's but dwarven defender is a ax and board type of character unless they change it completely from the pnp version (Link). The main ability of the class is basically the defensive stance that fighters get from their PrE with a little passive DR and bonuses to trap saves. The last part I could see uses for with the two types your using but what would you have to give up to get it not to mention the base requirements for the PrE itself which will most likely be Toughness, Dodge, and Mobility.

[Chai]

If we're gonna have ridiculous 80% fort bosses, the time is right for ubber-melees wielding dwarf-axes.

Make it so for U12.

[Chai]

I understand the idea behind wanting more racial PrE's but dwarven defender is a ax and board type of character unless they change it completely from the pnp version (Link). The main ability of the class is basically the defensive stance that fighters get from their PrE with a little passive DR and bonuses to trap saves. The last part I could see uses for with the two types your using but what would you have to give up to get it not to mention the base requirements for the PrE itself which will most likely be Toughness, Dodge, and Mobility.

It was explained some time ago that it would function similarly to the fighter defender PRE, without having to nail it down to the fighter or paladin class.

IMO, if they want to leave hOrc so far ahead of everything else in DPS its fine by me as long as there is a reason to play other races. Dwarves being the best multiclassed tanks is in the spirit of D&D.

[maddmatt70]

Yes, but Dorf Defender Dark monk or Tempest Ranger is looking really good right now.

I was more thinking along the lines of 18 barb 2 fighter with a gadzillion hp, crazy threat, etc. That is assuming you can rage up and get in defender stance.

[Shade]

U12: Rise of the Dwarves!

The master race has too long been ignored. Not again! the line must be drawn HEE--EEEERRE!

[voodoogroves]

The master race has too long been ignored. Not again!

I couldn't agree more!

[grodon9999]

U12: Rise of the Dwarves!

The master race has too long been ignored. Not again! the line must be drawn HEE--EEEERRE!

When Shade and I agree it is disturbing.

[grodon9999]

I was more thinking along the lines of 18 barb 2 fighter with a gadzillion hp, crazy threat, etc. That is assuming you can rage up and get in defender stance.

I'd be really surprised if the stance doesn't dismiss rage.

[Shade]

When Shade and I agree it is disturbing.

indeed.. don't let it happen again

[Chazzie]

A call for Dwarf Love by the OP,

Love the call out for Dwarven love , But I dont care for the axe & shield Pre myself

Im happy to see the call for Dwarf Love though

Maybe Twist it with a Turbine house rule thingy and drop the sheild part

I know Im REALLY dreaming there....To far out of the box I would think...

So if this would drop I would Be Happy for the love of Dwarfs & would roll one up

I know Krune would love it in my Sig

Edit:board & shield~lol Goodmorning coffee please~we all know I cant spell but Geezzz I need to remember to wake up before I post Sorry

[Thrudh]

I was more thinking along the lines of 18 barb 2 fighter with a gadzillion hp, crazy threat, etc. That is assuming you can rage up and get in defender stance.

I would definitely reroll my half-orc 18/2 barbarian/fighter as a 18/2 dwarven defender, but I doubt one could be raged and in defensive stance at the same time.

But I'd love to be able to switch between full out DPS, and AC tank mode...

(Yes, an unraged barbarian can get a pretty decent AC if you gear out for it)

[Rakian_Knight]

I was more thinking along the lines of 18 barb 2 fighter with a gadzillion hp, crazy threat, etc. That is assuming you can rage up and get in defender stance.

Okay, when you mention hate tanks it make since. Still not my first choice for the racial PrE's (still would like to see them release all the dragonmark heirs first so every race has something) but /signed non the less.