Sarlona, what is with you?

[vampiregoat69]

Ya know Atma, I have seen it too. Maybe a guild should be formed. The stormreach tour guide. They can offer first runs to newbs at any level. Get their training wheels worked off per se. LOL

On the very rare occasion that I lead, I look for newbs so I can help them understand why we want to do X, Y, Z, and skip A, B, C. All in tells unless people actually will openly admit their newbness.

I dunno. I run into some pretty zany situations where I question the players ability to live until their level. But people make it there sometimes without experiencing much of the game and therefore don't have that run-through experience.

But yeah, I have seen an influx of the newness.

PLEASE for the love of GOD someone do this I and my friends do not know where alot of the old or new quests are and WANT to learn where to go to do them. PLEASE someone teach us so we don't get into a group just to get kicked for not knowing or have to hear some flame about not knowing the quests

[Kages]

There are actually several guild dedicated to helping new players learn and gain experience. The sad part is there aren't enough people willing to put in the time floating around to make any of them worth it.

[Munkenmo]

Been PUGing for 11 lives and yes, people can be ********.

dont call people ********, it nets you warnings and 3 day bans..

[Kages]

dont call people ********, it nets you warnings and 3 day bans..

In all honesty he didn't really call anyone ********. Just said people "could" be.

[Munkenmo]

In all honesty he didn't really call anyone ********. Just said people "could" be.

Point taken, I'll try phrasing that more carefully next time and see how it works out for me


BTW atma reading this thread makes me remember an elite rainbow in the dark fail, and then another last life..

[Kages]

Point taken, I'll try phrasing that more carefully next time and see how it works out for me


BTW atma reading this thread makes me remember an elite rainbow in the dark fail, and then another last life..

Yes, rainbow is definately one I prefer to go solo over having pugs in party.

[moops]

There is one guild in general that I avoid because they are always the ones who seem to start swinging at trash on the bases, kill the dogs in HOX, stand where the main tank is supposed to stand, run out in the middle of the shadow room, etc.

At the beginning of any complicated run I do a sound check--most players, even VETS play with their sound too high, and can't hear the party leader or any other pertinent information. If someone does not respond, I dismiss them. I Don't care if people are new or have no gear, give me a group that can listen and I can get them thru anything.

[Havok.cry]

Lately I have been running into more and more people who completely ignore party chat and stay in guild chat the whole time, also turning their sound off... I squelch them and reform without the idiots.

[Yan_PL]

couple of words from me.
1. Some people dislike in-game voice chat. seriously, I sometimes have trouble understanding someones words due to low quality sound transmission, and going "say again?" 3 times and then "please write" is annoying to me... And I expect it to be even more annoying to the person who has to repeat himself over and over.

2. Some people learn through mistakes. On first couple evons I didn't know what's going on, and my barb was swinging at everything. Now, I've lead successful at level von6 elite with 6 or so firsttimers, or soloed a base in evon6 with caster, or melee. My evolution as a player had it's bumps, but look at me now, soloing some easier epics, and letting pug people loot partycrashers chests without actually killing a thing (I still check my friends list/guild chat first, tho). I still have ways to go; but if I wasn't given a second chance, I'd be still a total newb in many situations.

3. Disappointment with pugs isn't just Sarlona thing. I believe it happens to everyone, on every server - if you pug, sometimes things indeed go "pear-shaped". Yet sometimes when people you know are not in your level range and you need XP, pug is only viable option (other than hireling, which are more frustrating if you fail - if you fail when running with hireling, it means that you made some kind of mistake; and you only have yourself to blame for it).

4. Party chat isn't the first thing people check in combat situations, and you can't really blame them for not having attention span reaching party chat all the time.

5. Some people don't like being told what to do. I don't. If I know a method to do something, which worked for me before, I'll try to run it with my method; prolly telling others to play accordingly. I don't talk in voice chat usually, so explaining why it works and specifying every detail on my plan often is too much for me to write; yet on the other hand, when I'm told to do something I like to know why and how. I would have a lot of trouble grouping with person like myself, unless we were already using the same method for quite some time before. On the other hand, if someone was nice enough to supply everyone with a plan that works, I'll play along. Gee, I might be even thankful, as it means that I don't have to write my own plan or feel very responsible for failure of someone else's plan.

6. Language barrier. Let's face it - it's sometimes hard to communicate with other people. Example? I'm not native English speaker; I am aware of my commonly failing grammar, and sometimes lacking vocabulary. Yet, sometimes, when I join PUG groups with lot of Asians in them, I feel forced to perform twohanded facepalm while reading their "Engrish". And that's only if they decide to write in party chat - it's actually even worse when they start talking in language unknown to me over voice chat. Especially if they repeatedly yell some word/sentence I can't guess the meaning of.

7. Technical difficulties, real life situations and other things affecting someones performance happen from time to time. It's possible that due to such under-performance, you might be dumping otherwise pretty cool guy(gal) hwo kills mobs and doesn't afraid of anything.

8. Squelch list. If your squelch list is 25+ppl long, how much time do you need to forget why did you blacklisted someone? How often do you clear this list? Do you ever give people a second chance, or you're just too awesome to be forgiving?

9. Taking the game too seriously. I have such issue, which was brought to my mind only recently (and I know who I should thank for bringing it to my mind). I ramble and rant about it all the time, I am upset about failures in it, and I'm overly excited about my plans or upcoming changes that I believe I will like. Gee, I even post on forums, arguing some points or expressing opinions. Relevant opinion: sometimes in situations where you go "/rant on", you should instead realize that this is just a game you're playing for your entertainment. This might change your attitude towards other players (frankly, just send me some free frds - I would approve this).

[AMDarkwolf]

Just gonna make this clear so people know that its not miss-communication or mistranslation, or anything like that.

In many cases(not all, admit sometimes I feel a 'blarg de blarg' once after a person joins is enough) but I can be regularly telling./explaining, getting responses, 'chatting' with someone(Example being the 'Do not kill silver flame please, don't kill silver flame, Stay back so u don't kill silver flame, hide over there, I'll bring u mobs to kill' and just about any other variation of 'how to do cursed crypt') And i get afirm's over voice, in chat, the guys NOT a child(sounds like hes my age or even into the 40's) etc, as in im prett sure its clear(he's still trying to hump my leg as I was checking rooms in the west cloisters for sf, but lucky for me none were present...)


Anyways managed a perfect run, all silver flame rescued, none dead, at final room, I CAREFULLY (WITH CAPS) Explain how i want him to hide, then drop down south into the back wall.

Well.. mistakes happen and he ends up north, fine. I'm south, and manage to get vamp on me, and am dealing with him....


Little pop-up '4 silver flame remaining...3 silver flame remaining...2 silver flame remaining...1 silver flame remaining... '


And im just sitting there with that sinking feeling in stomach, and here's his cheerful voice shouting over voice 'I ALMOST GOT THEM ALL!'

Anyways this is an example of what I've been facing these last 2 weeks or so. I share THIS example because its amusing and not so much me trying to milk every last bit of xp, and more about how the flawless plan can end up as a thin, paste on the walls.

And no I'm sure its not communication, unless u can figure out a good way to explain how 'this is not opposite world, don't say 'OK, gotcha' unless u REALLY understand whats just been said'

Also people have to get that I am not against pugging, I myself, as long as 'this' doesn't become the norm, will be pugging throughout, I meet some very interesting people, some really fun people, and some people I just flat out 'enjoy' that I would never have met if I stuck to the 'tr only' chan or something similar. If I only stayed with guilds I know, names I know, etc, you are missing out.

Yes, 3/10 times (And this life 9/10 times) the people u will meet are the 'fish u toss back', but sarlona has some amazing 'unknowns' out there.

[Munkenmo]

aww i feel for you atma

Honestly though my mind keeps going back to a trap in elite rainbow with a Run against the wall.

wipe

rince

repeat

I wouldn't be too critical of pugs, even us vets can will and do, do dumb stuff often

... hmm i think taking a break from Tring and skiing are starting to make me go soft.

[AMDarkwolf]

aww i feel for you atma

Honestly though my mind keeps going back to a trap in elite rainbow with a Run against the wall.

wipe

rince

repeat

I wouldn't be too critical of pugs, even us vets can will and do, do dumb stuff often

... hmm i think taking a break from Tring and skiing are starting to make me go soft.

SSSHHH its important I get my shinies.

[Terebinthia]

Oh, yeah, don't start me on VoN... the completed/failed cause of some idiot going in too early VoN6s at lower lvl is like 1/20... No matter its typed 56 times, yelled 30 more, used CAPS several times and there is always this one guy activating dragon and locking party out. I thought its language barrier but now I think its plain stupidity

Yes, this.

I lost it in a guild run in a previous guild, which was like herding cats in raids at the best of times, when some ... person just charged the dragon despite me having said to wait on the dirt about 5 times and typed it 3 times (the... person could hear voice).

The first thing I see when half the party is locked out and she's throwing her cometfall is LOL in party chat. No, it's not (expletive of your choice) LOL. You have just wasted an hour of my life herding cats through VON5 because you are too much of a .... person to follow the most basic instructions.

As you can tell, this makes me stabbity

[Postumus]

I am really getting sick of this, and it has to be said, although chances are the ones I am 'ranting' about are not forum goers, but still...

Sarlona has this new wave of people, many of them TRs(So have been around some time, the 'new' excuse don't fly) where they seem to purposely do exactly the opposite of whats said. Every pug I make, every quest I run, if there's someone in the group that I don't specifically know, that person WILL do this. Whether its 'do not kill X mob' (And he will go out of his way to target and attack THOSE first, even if that fails the quest) or 'please kill mob X before u finish quest(and this type of person will train 30 of them along behind him/her refusing to touch them.

Am really quit sick of it, the above are only 2 examples, but its enough to illustrate the issue.

Whaaaaat? C'mon man, my gimp TR ran with atma on a Stealer of Souls and an Enter the Kobold and I did exactly what you said every time.

Of course it got me killed every time. (Thanks btw, that lava in SoS was not 'just like a hot tub.')

[LadyAerys]

He'll claim he can solo it, then you'll have to form a rescue party. and Enmo, you ARE getting soft o.O it's..surreal.

[AMDarkwolf]

Whaaaaat? C'mon man, my gimp TR ran with atma on a Stealer of Souls and an Enter the Kobold and I did exactly what you said every time.

Of course it got me killed every time. (Thanks btw, that lava in SoS was not 'just like a hot tub.')

But the dead mean there are less mobs

[Kages]

There is one guild in general that I avoid because they are always the ones who seem to start swinging at trash on the bases, kill the dogs in HOX, stand where the main tank is supposed to stand, run out in the middle of the shadow room, etc.

At the beginning of any complicated run I do a sound check--most players, even VETS play with their sound too high, and can't hear the party leader or any other pertinent information. If someone does not respond, I dismiss them. I Don't care if people are new or have no gear, give me a group that can listen and I can get them thru anything.

Are you saying that if I'm having a bathroom emergency when I join your group, my pain and suffering will win me a boot for no compliance?

[LordPiglet]

Lately I have been running into more and more people who completely ignore party chat and stay in guild chat the whole time, also turning their sound off... I squelch them and reform without the idiots.

I actually just undock guild chat, and run it (and channels) in a seperate window so I can see both.

Are you saying that if I'm having a bathroom emergency when I join your group, my pain and suffering will win me a boot for no compliance?

I'd advise her to boot you just on principle.

[Hendrik]

I actually just undock guild chat, and run it (and channels) in a seperate window so I can see both.



I'd advise her to boot you just on principle.

/signed!

[AMDarkwolf]

heh i got neg rep for my rant

That musta been someone who can't listen