Yet another PM thread

[trog_star]

the grand plan?
ummmmm.

i suppose the logical thing to do next life is go offensive casting FvS.
honestly, i dont know enough about the class to say if it's going to be a stndard evoker type build or something a little diffrent.

*Edit
oh, and if you dont have a robe of duality for levels 2-3 on an arcane, your missing out

[trog_star]

things ended up going a little diffrently this life

Level 1 Mental Toughness, Toughness, Insightfull Reflexes
Level 3 Past Life wizard
Level 5 Spell Focus: conjuration
Level 6 Maximize Spell, Wizard Archmage I
Level 9 Heighten Spell, Wizard Archmage II, Conjuration I - Grease, Conjuration II - Web
Level 10 Extend Spell

3sp for a hightend web is far to awesome to ignore.
the change has pushed shield mastery back quite a few levels, but i can live with that
carnifex and my crafted +1 holy maul of undead bane are still going strong on 12 base Str.

on the FW Vs acid raid debate.
considering the effectiveness of the 3sp web.
aginst undead a vanilla firewall is usually enough to deal with elite steaking content in 1 cast.
i do have both acid rain and GW loaded tho, as there are quite a few situations where acid rain is the superior option. ie; non-undead and blackbone

[Faent]

Firewall is superior to Acid Rain in many respects. Web + Firewall and ignore. Everything follows you, catches up to your Web + Firewall combo, and dies. Acid Rain won't kill stragglers, since its duration is too short. Of course, for leveling (at least up to the Vale), I carry both and run with 7/1/1 Damage/Crit/Crit in both Acid and Fire.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Firewall is superior to Acid Rain in many respects. Web + Firewall and ignore. Everything follows you, catches up to your Web + Firewall combo, and dies. Acid Rain won't kill stragglers, since its duration is too short. Of course, for leveling (at least up to the Vale), I carry both and run with 7/1/1 Damage/Crit/Crit in both Acid and Fire.

The only thing better than acid rain or firewall is acid rain AND firewall. No reason not to max/1/1 acid and fire lines while leveling, absolutely best choice for sorcerer or wizard. Can keep that setup until finished farming LotD more or less at level 17 or 18 and then swap to some combination of acid/cold/lightning.

[trog_star]

I like that you are updating with each life, but what's next after you bank Wiz life #3? What are your grand plans for this character?

so with the advent of epic destiny and EE content, i decided i need MOAR spell pen.

currently lvl21 FvS on life 1/3. (running 1st time bonuses as i need quite a few fate points)
been splashing a level of barb and Useing a +1 heart around lvl 12.
Must start serious level banking earlier next life. lvl 18 took ages

[trog_star]

currently on the last rank of FvS life 2 (dam you downtime)

not looking forward to FvS life number 3.
really should have gone looking for a TR train in my timezone

[Inouk]

currently on the last rank of FvS life 2 (dam you downtime)

not looking forward to FvS life number 3.
really should have gone looking for a TR train in my timezone

Based on this reply I'm wondering which you enjoyed more, FVS or PM? I've thought about trying FvS, but I really like PM and sorc so I'm curious.

I notice you never did drop mental toughness from your PM build, lol.

[trog_star]

PM.
definitely enjoy PM more.


as for mental toughness.. i think thats a typo.
fairly certain it went bie bies as soon as litch form became available.

[Inouk]

Good to hear =)

[trog_star]

Just hit 20 on my 3rd FvS life.
so thats 3FvS and 3 Wiz past lives.

so now i must ponder a most unpalatable question, do i go drow?

suppose ill work up a few builds and see what works,
as always, input is appreciated

PM
+4 Int tome
lvl 24 mabar robe
haven't farmed out a twilight yet, but i'm plotting twilight/conflux as conflux is the only place i can get +3 insight Int.

Merry Xmas to those who celebrated it and merry Tuesday to those who do not.

[trog_star]

Boxing day math time (this may not end well)
I'm assuming planar conflux/twilight and gear i already have (addy dragon cloak, lvl 24 mabar robe)

ending Int : Drow

20 Base
4 tome
6 Levelups
3 enhancements
2 Litch form
1 Exceptional
3 Insight
8 Item
2 capstone
2 Yugloth
6 ED
1 Echoes of magi

so that is 58[+24] (unless i fail at math)
and a base DC of [10+9+24+2+1] 46

so if primary Necromancy: necro DC of 54 and enchant of 49
If primary Enchantment: necro DC of 50 and enchant of 53

spell penetration
20 heroic levels
5 ED levels
6 PL Wizard
3 PL FvS
4 heroic feats
4 epic feat
3 enhancements
2 arcane augmentation IX
2 spell penetration IX
3 peirceing spell craft (magister)
3 peirceing spell craft (DI Twist)
2 Echoes magistar (FS twist)
57, so ill fail a priestess on a 1.

things are looking good for drow, now i need to figure out the sacrifices required to actually build this toon.
i have a feeling, they are not going to be small or subtle

[Matuse]

No reason not to max/1/1 acid and fire lines while leveling, absolutely best choice for sorcerer or wizard.

A bit old, but I have a good reason not to do that; a Glaciation 90 club of Major Ice Lore, ML: 8.

Ice storms, frost lances, and cones of cold off of that turn almost everything into a joke.

[trog_star]

Got n otto box to play with this life, so this IS NOT a leveling plan, this is lvl 16+ with some planning applied to 1-8

Level 1 Maximize Spell / Spell Focus Enchantment, Insightful Reflexes - Swap before stone
Level 3 Mental Toughness / Toughness - Swap when XP banked for Litch form
Level 5 Spell Focus Necromancy
Level 6 Past Life Arcane Initiate
Level 9 Greater Spell Focus Necromancy
Level 10 Heighten Spell
Level 12 Greater Spell Focus Enchantment
Level 15 Quicken Spell, Spell Penetration
Level 18 Greater Spell Penetration
Level 20 Maximize Spell
Level 21 Epic Spell Penetration
Level 24 Epic Spell Focus

[Andoris]

Boxing day math time (this may not end well)
I'm assuming planar conflux/twilight and gear i already have (addy dragon cloak, lvl 24 mabar robe)

ending Int : Drow

20 Base
4 tome
6 Levelups
3 enhancements
2 Litch form
1 Exceptional
3 Insight
8 Item
2 capstone
2 Yugloth
6 ED
1 Echoes of magi

so that is 68[+29] (unless i fail at math)
and a base DC of [10+9+29+2+1] 51

so if primary Necromancy: necro DC of 59 and enchant of 54
If primary Enchantment: necro DC of 55 and enchant of 58

You fail at math :-) .. the Int you listed should be 58 not 68. If you want to get to a reasonable sustainable int you are looking at:

Drow: 64 (20 base + 6 lvl + 8 item + 3 insightful + 1 exc + 1 bard twist + 5 tome +2 capstone +2 lich + 7 destiny [6 + 1 twist] + 3 enh + 2 ship + 2 yugo + 1 litany + 1 feat)
Human: 62 (18 base + 6 lvl + 8 item + 3 insightful + 1 exc + 1 bard twist + 5 tome +2 capstone +2 lich + 7 destiny [6 + 1 twist] + 4 enh + 2 ship + 2 yugo + 1 feat)

Giving you a 56 necro if drow or 55 necro if human

things are looking good for drow, now i need to figure out the sacrifices required to actually build this toon.
i have a feeling, they are not going to be small or subtle

I did a race comparison for pale masters that I wrote up for our guild forums awhile back.. I can dig that up and post for you (look for that tomorrow).. Short answer on the analysis was that if you want max dc, drow can beat human in the primary school (likely necro of enchant), will be equal to human in the secondary school, and one ahead in all others, however; to make that happen it requires at least 2 more past lives (to compare in spell pen) and nearly perfect +3 spell focus one-handers (and your not able to use the robe of shadow).

I'll dig up the full analysis and post in a separate thread later today/tomorrow

[trog_star]

You fail at math :-) .. the Int you listed should be 58 not 68.

see, this is why i post.
thanks for picking that up.

have they fixed abbot?
as running 20 abbots for a glitched list seems like a **** idea.

[Matuse]

Abbot list has been fixed for a while.

I've given up on the Litany, however. Over 40 runs between two characters (mostly on Hard), and not only has it not dropped for me, it simply hasn't dropped. At all. For anyone.

MotU brings nice trinkets, so Litany can go screw off.

[trog_star]

DPS of a wet noodle.
soloing Vale for Streak was a bit more changeling than i'm used to.

probably would have been a better idea to play feat switch-a-roo at 20+ as running Vale without toughness, maximize or empower is not the way to a better life.

Effective (if brutal) way to reacquaint yourself with an arcane class tho

[trog_star]

not quite finished yet.

currently lvl 24 with a 55 Necro DC
only blue shields ive seen were mine