New UI = Griefing Tool

[Cirlandir]

I prefer the hp/sp not shown but that isn't a deal breaker. The fact I can't tell when someone needs a heal without squinting is. Playing a healer before this mod was sometimes a headache. Now due to this change...it always is.

[freekay]

I just looked at the OP's toons.. now I understand why he's all hateful towards having his HP shown... His rogue, for example, has 242HP at level 20 <_< he also said it's helf with CLR dilly... why you would take clr dilly instead of maxing UMD out for NO FAIL scrolls/wands is beyond me. If a toon like THAT applied for one of my epics or elite raids, it'd get the boot, followed by a /tell LOLURGIMP.

How about instead of wasting your time across 12 gimp toons, which are neither here, nor there, you focus on ONE of your toons? -_-

[vittordevittor]

Man, everyone knows hp is important. Its a concensus. So i think those who are subotimal, like urself need to improve. Problem is: how can u improve if peole are kicking you from the best game part?

[aarant]

Man, everyone knows hp is important. Its a concensus. So i think those who are subotimal, like urself need to improve. Problem is: how can u improve if peole are kicking you from the best game part?

the thing is u dont need raid gear to break 400 hp just random ah junk so its not really a valid argument im so gimp cause u elitist sob's wont let me play ur reindeer games...

[Purgatory]

Yep. If they introduced a way to hide your numbers it wouldn't get much better. If you join the same type of persons lfm and they see you have it turned off I see them kicking you because you must have "something to hide".

I do like being able to see the rest of the groups hp, but I do agree the new UI is a griefing tool... Devs griefing my eyes

yes it is badly implimented and it looks horrible lol

[Purgatory]

I just looked at the OP's toons.. now I understand why he's all hateful towards having his HP shown... His rogue, for example, has 242HP at level 20 <_< he also said it's helf with CLR dilly... why you would take clr dilly instead of maxing UMD out for NO FAIL scrolls/wands is beyond me. If a toon like THAT applied for one of my epics or elite raids, it'd get the boot, followed by a /tell LOLURGIMP.

How about instead of wasting your time across 12 gimp toons, which are neither here, nor there, you focus on ONE of your toons? -_-

Becuase that would mean that he cant point fingers anymore and own his bad judgement and choices he has made with his toons. Its not his fualt he is not making a effort to learn and improve his toons and his own knowledge of the game to be at a some what acceptable level that is determind by the community's standards as awhole, its everyone elses fault for.

Hes playing the victums or trying to atleast... There are no victums in DDO well except Arlos and Venn, and possible Coyle.

[fasteddie8989]

So what I am seeing is people with low hit points now see getting auto kicked as griefing, but the same low hit point person joining a group and dieing 8 times is not greifing?

So the griefer now gets greifed.

[Nerate_Mireth]

I have a rogue at level 20? WOW! When did that happen? Last time I looked he was 18. And MYDDO has his INT helm on, not his Minos. Hmmm...Oh and Last Updated....July 12th?

/sarcasm on
Well. We can see how accurate MYDDO is.
/sarcasm off

Just goes to show me how much people REALLY see in this game. Call my toons gimp. IDC. They are MY toons, not yours. I know how to play them and stay alive. It's easier for you to point and call me gimp than try to show me how to make a better toon. Point is, you're an uber-l33t-god and I'm beneath your help. THAT is the problem with this game. Too many l33tz that can't be bothered to help people out. You're more worried about doing EPIC Lord of Blades in less than 2 minutes with 3 people than trying to help people to be better players. And don't pull the "you should go read the forums for help" bit. Most of it is ****.

DnD was created for people to be UNIQUE in their characters, not cookie-cutter copies like in DDO. In DDO unique=gimped.

What's next? DDO raises the cap to 60 but you can only have 20 levels in each class thus 1 guy makes a Divine-Tank-Sorc and another makes a Rogue-Tank-Bard and you're only allowed groups of 2 for normal quests and 4 for raids?

[TempestAlphaOmega]

I have a rogue at level 20? WOW! When did that happen? Last time I looked he was 18. And MYDDO has his INT helm on, not his Minos. Hmmm...Oh and Last Updated....July 12th?

/sarcasm on
Well. We can see how accurate MYDDO is.
/sarcasm off

Just goes to show me how much people REALLY see in this game. Call my toons gimp. IDC. They are MY toons, not yours. I know how to play them and stay alive. It's easier for you to point and call me gimp than try to show me how to make a better toon. Point is, you're an uber-l33t-god and I'm beneath your help. THAT is the problem with this game. Too many l33tz that can't be bothered to help people out. You're more worried about doing EPIC Lord of Blades in less than 2 minutes with 3 people than trying to help people to be better players. And don't pull the "you should go read the forums for help" bit. Most of it is ****.

DnD was created for people to be UNIQUE in their characters, not cookie-cutter copies like in DDO. In DDO unique=gimped.

What's next? DDO raises the cap to 60 but you can only have 20 levels in each class thus 1 guy makes a Divine-Tank-Sorc and another makes a Rogue-Tank-Bard and you're only allowed groups of 2 for normal quests and 4 for raids?

Some people are just what you described and some are not. The real question is, for those people who are like you describe above, why would you want to play with them and why would they want to play with you?

[DakFrost]

The simple fact is your characters aren't born with low Con and no toughness. Everyone can improve their HP totals with just a little effort. I don't think booting someone for having 200 HP is the most polite thing, but there is no greifing involved.

I have trouble understanding why someone would purposly make their character weaker then they could be, but to each their own, in the end DDO is just a game. If someone won't let you play with them because they don't like how you look did you really want to play with them anyway? There have been and always will be elitist players, now it's just easier for the non-elitist and elitist to avoid each other, and in the end, isn't that better?

[Purgatory]

The simple fact is your characters aren't born with low Con and no toughness. Everyone can improve their HP totals with just a little effort. I don't think booting someone for having 200 HP is the most polite thing, but there is no greifing involved.

I have trouble understanding why someone would purposly make their character weaker then they could be, but to each their own, in the end DDO is just a game. If someone won't let you play with them because they don't like how you look did you really want to play with them anyway? There have been and always will be elitist players, now it's just easier for the non-elitist and elitist to avoid each other, and in the end, isn't that better?

The elitist have been trying to avoid the non-elitist forever

The problem is the non-elitist keep chasing them around for the free ride and pretending to be elitist and cry when they get called out for it.

Just read the lfm and its easy to avoid a elitist but ya i guess reading is just for elitist lmao non-elitist seem to be unable to read

[DakFrost]

The elitist have been trying to avoid the non-elitist forever

The problem is the non-elitist keep chasing them around for the free ride and pretending to be elitist and cry when they get called out for it.

Just read the lfm and its easy to avoid a elitist but ya i guess reading is just for elitist lmao non-elitist seem to be unable to read

Exactly. There has been friction between the two forever, this just help everyone avoid the drama. Win-Win.

I'm confused as to why so many people are upset about this.

[Purgatory]

Exactly. There has been friction between the two forever, this just help everyone avoid the drama. Win-Win.

I'm confused as to why so many people are upset about this.

I think it has to do with the part of the non-elitest chasing the elitest around for the free ride...
and the free ride is coming to an end so they either
a. figure out how to play the game
b. quit

they dont like a or b so they cry on the forums

For some figureing out the game and playing it hard is fun for them.
Piking and doing nothing is fun for the rest....

[Alkindus]

There's no excuse to have drastically lower than par hp for the raid that you wish to run. Having said that, I think what's going on is people are using the (mucher ruder) method of accepting then looking at hp and booting, instead of myddoing them first then declining them if hp does not satisfy their requirements. It is pure ignorance to have less than 300 hp on a toon you plan to do higher end raiding with.

[protokon]

picture I posted on another thread of my cleric, zero items on and zero buffs:



Granted, his starting con was 16, still...

1 toughness feat. a couple toughness enhancements.

absolutely zero items/buffs to boost HP and he is sitting at 322 completely naked.

It is not hard

[Purgatory]

picture I posted on another thread of my cleric, zero items on and zero buffs:



Granted, his starting con was 16, still...

1 toughness feat. a couple toughness enhancements.

absolutely zero items/buffs to boost HP and he is sitting at 322 completely naked.

It is not hard

Photoshop!

Hacker!

Cheater!

250 is the max

[samthedagger]

I think it remains to be seen whether this will be a true griefing tool or not. I have a feeling that within a very short period of time it will prove to be beneficial to the game. If anything, new players will start to have hp-envy and start figuring out ways to boost their hp upon comparing their 200 hp fighter to the 400 hp rogue in their group. I think this whole thing will sort itself out.

[Tsuarok]

If it becomes an issue, people will build their toons with more HPs. People will see early that their toon is below the curve, before they reach GH and die a hundred times screaming at the healer and not having any fun. And getting squelched by those they group with.

I think that that is more likely to cause people to quit.


This way there is no need to tell people that their HPs are too low, they can see it clear as day.

Anyway, with MyDDO, we've been able to discriminate for a long time now.

[Bodic]

picture I posted on another thread of my cleric, zero items on and zero buffs:



Granted, his starting con was 16, still...

1 toughness feat. a couple toughness enhancements.

absolutely zero items/buffs to boost HP and he is sitting at 322 completely naked.

It is not hard

Looks like someone ate a +4 wisdom tome. I started my FvS at 14 Con just 20 points shy.

[taurean430]

I have a rogue at level 20? WOW! When did that happen? Last time I looked he was 18. And MYDDO has his INT helm on, not his Minos. Hmmm...Oh and Last Updated....July 12th?

/sarcasm on
Well. We can see how accurate MYDDO is.
/sarcasm off

Just goes to show me how much people REALLY see in this game. Call my toons gimp. IDC. They are MY toons, not yours. I know how to play them and stay alive. It's easier for you to point and call me gimp than try to show me how to make a better toon. Point is, you're an uber-l33t-god and I'm beneath your help. THAT is the problem with this game. Too many l33tz that can't be bothered to help people out. You're more worried about doing EPIC Lord of Blades in less than 2 minutes with 3 people than trying to help people to be better players. And don't pull the "you should go read the forums for help" bit. Most of it is ****.

DnD was created for people to be UNIQUE in their characters, not cookie-cutter copies like in DDO. In DDO unique=gimped.

What's next? DDO raises the cap to 60 but you can only have 20 levels in each class thus 1 guy makes a Divine-Tank-Sorc and another makes a Rogue-Tank-Bard and you're only allowed groups of 2 for normal quests and 4 for raids?

I really don't get the impression that the argument you pose means what you intend it to.

I know that both myself and my guild pride ourselves on our build choices, and not all of those build choices are considered optimal. Our toons are effective however in the roles we want them to have, so there have never been any complaints.

My newer bard for example is a roguebard melee spellsinger. She's a strength build that does passable dps, can buff and heal, and get any trap in the game. She's a gimp because she has no spot. I preferred the 52 balance instead.

My experience has been that when you make non standard toons there will be moments where you are made to feel not welcome. It is a fleeting moment within the passing day. Some players are simply that way and there isn't anything wrong with that imo. However, when I am at the helm on this toon I can accomplish some really cool things while running in a group. And her versatility wins out over any concerns about her current state of hp. I am guessing that you run your toon in a similar fashion. But here is the thing. Not every player can do that. In fact, the majority cannot. They need to have hp at a threshold that allows a divine to have an opportunity to keep them alive in a quest or raid. Frequently, when leveling my TR's I run across people who have not only not invested in hp, but have not developed skill in playing their toons. It happens often in all level ranges. And the annoyance factor generated by having to babysit or hand hold them through something not difficult can be high.

I've been the divine who has had to make the choice to simply let them go and kill themselves. Because the amount of attention they require to keep standing detracts from my ability to keep the rest of the party alive. I just ran recently with a multiclassed rogue that drew aggro away from the melee group and died repeatedly. I was on one of my melee toons at the time. Having to stop and wand whip someone constantly and/or res them repeatedly becomes old quickly. The standard exists to help new players become better players.