New UI = Griefing Tool

[Nerate_Mireth]

I have already seen this five times in less than a day. Someone joins the group and because the party leader thinks they are a poor build it's auto-boot time.

The new UI bars, while nice and helpful in alot of ways, are already being used to tell people that if they don't have the uber-flavor of the month-build then they shouldn't even bother.

I mean, really, minimum of 200hp for a VOD is recommended but I took a toon in there (rogue) that had 177hp and guess what...he was the only one who didn't die. VOD run last night....sorc with 190hp joins and 3 seconds later is booted. For some people, with limited time to play, stuff like this is just going to discourage them and send them packing which means Turbine loses that income.

Come on. We've lived this long without that info, and, while I said it's nice knowing how many hp someone has in the group so you can throw a cure light instead of wasting a cure serious on them is great, but if you're that worried about your SP, you need to learn better SP management skills.

And no, this hasn't happened to me, yet, but I expect it will as I have a couple of "test-build" toons I like to goof around with.

[danotmano1998]

/signed

Give us the ability to turn OFF the broadcasting of our stats.

Thanks!

[MnaSidhe]

I would like to be able to turn off the numbers of the other players in the party, but keep the numbers on my own bars... havent seemed to manage that yet.

[Droogald]

/signed

I have 2 rogues and can easily picture such situations. Some players only look at the hp:s, and many of them have no idea how "squishies" are played and can out-live the hp monsters.

Better to get rid of them numbers in bars completely.

[protokon]

I like it, leave it there.

Ignorant players will continue to be ignorant, regardless of whether they can 'see' your stats or not.

[Nerate_Mireth]

I like it, leave it there.

Ignorant players will continue to be ignorant, regardless of whether they can 'see' your stats or not.

True, but giving them MORE ways to be ignorant doesn't help the casual player who plays to relax and have fun instead of being more frustrated.

I know alot of people with, what some would term, "crappy" builds yet they know how to play those "crappy" builds and often outlast the ignorant people.

[Cam_Neely]

Come on. We've lived this long without that info, and, while I said it's nice knowing how many hp someone has in the group so you can throw a cure light instead of wasting a cure serious on them is great, but if you're that worried about your SP, you need to learn better SP management skills.

And no, this hasn't happened to me, yet, but I expect it will as I have a couple of "test-build" toons I like to goof around with.

Interesting, your have the option to turn off broadcasting your stats, but you don't. Its more obvious now, but never seemed to bother you enough to turn it off before.

http://my.ddo.com/character/ghallanda/nerate/

[grausherra]

Refusing to take low-hp characters into a group isn't 'griefing' by any definition of the word.

The eventual end to this change will be people focusing on HPs more, which is an overall good thing.

I don't care if you are a 7 sorc / 7 fvs / 6 barb, just take a few points of CON and a toughness feat.

[WilliamBraveheart]

Just last night I heard of 10-15 guildies getting brought into party only to get demeaned about their lack of HP or SP and get booted.
I say we need to have the numbers removed.

[Elixxer]

I saw a lvl 10 wf sorc last night, he was on his 3rd life. He has 90 hp. 979 sp. I didn't kick him or complain, he did die by the trap in fathom even though I said a trap was ahead ^^. I find almost everyone I pug with is guilty of low hp.

kicking players for their hp not being at max is stupid. You're wasting your time trying to find a group.

[mudfud]

Do what the group leader did for the pug I spent most of the day in last night. Pick a number and pick where the number is:

Example: Number 2 as ending HP. you get kicked.
Example: Number 7 2nd number of HP, you get kicked.

LFM stated he was gonna do it, and he was. I can understand how that's wrong, but still same people don't read the lfm's.
Personally, your build is your build, and I see no reason to know your hp/sp even from a healing standpoint. What's next, examine window going to tell me the gear you wear?

[brentpatty1]

just take the first 5-11 dorks that hit the lfm and go.

i always like to have the guildies have the main roles and puggers bring the dps. trust me it works

[Adrian99]

If others judge your ability based on unsound reasoning, isn't it an advantage not to group with them?

[SickCat]

I like it, leave it there.

Ignorant players will continue to be ignorant, regardless of whether they can 'see' your stats or not.

This is the only part of this thread I'll sign. Stupid is as stupid does...there's no putting the brakes on other peoples idiocy.

[mystafyi]

im sorry, but if you cant beat the hirelings hp's at lvl 20 then i sure dont want to group with you.

[cdemeritt]

I tend to believe this is gonna be used more for griefing than anything else...


While I believe in having hitpoints, I also believe in player skill being worth much more... and as long as you can do your job and not die... then you have enough... now much like raid loot, someone else can determine for you if you have enough...

We all have laughed at the 150hp rogue who dies every 3 steps... but how many 150 hp rogues have you run with that never died? I know on or two, you just don't know it because they know how to play and didn't get looked up on MyDDO.

[Enoach]

I actually like the numbers on the bar -

As a cleric/fvs/bard I don't have to play healing roulette (btw I got pretty good at guessing how many HP a person had usually +-10)

It also shows you just how many HP everyone really has (of course obscured by buffs) and removes the "My HP bar is bigger than Yours" debate.

It allows a party leader to make a more informed decision on who to assign to each role.

It allows newer/less experienced players a chance to see what the real average is, and not the inflated theoretical #'s people quote with gear they may or may not have and potions they may or may not use.

I think many people are going to be surprised at what is the "Norm" for HPs per class/build.

Yes, like any open communication tool it can be used by people to discriminate, but if we as a community take 1 month off from being critical and demeaning towards characters that have fewer HPs or even SP than we think they ought to have, we may find that basing decisions on this factor has been a faulty one.

[Musouka]

I did a shroud yesterday. There was a wizard with 190 HP. He had more damage output than the 3 other arcanes that had 300+ HP and did not die once. He was amazing on how he didn't just stand still and take poundings like the other arcanes, so he lived. The other arcanes died for taking meteors to the face in part 4, or standing in the middle of a blade train.

As it was said before, Ignorant players will still be ignorant, regardless of seeing numbers. I don't find the tool very bad, and actually welcome this addition. As a healer, this really helps me gauge how often I should heal, or how low I could let some players get before tossing a heal.

/not signed.

[lethargos]

Refusing to take low-hp characters into a group isn't 'griefing' by any definition of the word.

The eventual end to this change will be people focusing on HPs more, which is an overall good thing.

I don't care if you are a 7 sorc / 7 fvs / 6 barb, just take a few points of CON and a toughness feat.

So you would rather have a Real gimp as long as they have some hp ?...

[Seikojin]

I see the change as a double edged sword. I really like the change. I like the number values. I just don't like how other players will use it as a springboard to sling insults.