How is epic raiding PuGs in Orien now?

[ChadB123]

I cannot even imagine what a Pug EChrono is like for healers

It was fun. I actually had to keep an eye on the party instead of watching tv/clicking mass heal pre u11.

As for elite vod, i would only run that if you were well geared and had a good party. Elite is now elite after all! D:

[Noopleh]

Cheers Chad and Valy. Excatly the info I was looking for.

So eChrono is still do-able as PuGs... but SP conserve and intelligence is recommanded.

Chad, did you use any different tactic at the conjoined abishai or is still tank grabs aggro pull in corner then melee beatdown?

[fyrst.grok]

It doesn't matter WHAT you do as a healer in pugs, you are going to get grief. The one Elite VoD I've healed, I used Burst/Aura/scrolls as much as possible, stayed with the melees (and let aura/burst hit tank as well), and shield blocked to get SP back with Torc/Conc. Opp. Party seldom got below 80% because other healer apparently was spamming every cure spell they had (every time I was about to cast a cure, party got topped off, so I didn't bother unless there was a big spike in damage.) End result: I get yelled at by the leader to "heal party and stop fighting" and to "quit healing tank and concentrate on party!" (There was only 1 death, a rogue who apparently didn't drink their remove curse pot fast enough)

This one experience alone is what keeps me from pugging any Epic raid unless it's people I know or who I've run with before. Epic Last Stand is fun enough when all 5 other players go their own separate directions when the 2nd round starts, and attack the mudmen first - I cannot even imagine what a Pug EChrono is like for healers

I know the feeling.. I never join pugs as healer anymore since I usually spend more time arguing with so called vets about having a melee fvs and using same sp regeneration tactics as you. So.. join my lfm's and I will never yell at you

Another thing in regard to the raids.. Did rogues become useless now with the increase in fortification?

[Noopleh]

I know the feeling.. I never join pugs as healer anymore since I usually spend more time arguing with so called vets about having a melee fvs and using same sp regeneration tactics as you. So.. join my lfm's and I will never yell at you

Another thing in regard to the raids.. Did rogues become useless now with the increase in fortification?

Might want to ask Krimsonrane

[Forgeborn]

...did you use any different tactic at the conjoined abishai or is still tank grabs aggro pull in corner then melee beatdown?

Conjoined Abishai Devastator = CAD

Run I was in was pretty much standard as far as Echrono goes; Abishai come down, person takes aggro of all 5 and runs them around the pillar were suulomades pops up, then abishai get pulled to the dps pack one by one to be slaughtered. When all Abishai are dead, huddle up for a moment to get a few last minute buffs in, and a refresh on haste/rage, tank (in this case me) runs over to where the CAD drops down, sucks a set of Yugo pots to raise strength and hp, and pops the madstone rage clicky when the white flash appears. Tank after that proceeds to poke the CAD and then pull it to the corner which is relatively close to where you enter, takes 10 seconds to build up some initial aggro, and then calls in the rest of the DPS to start attackin it.

At white and black dragon forms DPS backs up for a little to prevent getting cursed/blown to bit by ice, before getting back to their jobs. Fast forward some minutes and the abishai is dead.

Another thing in regard to the raids.. Did rogues become useless now with the increase in fortification?

Fortification I'd guess at around ~60% to 75% for the eChrono bosses, they seemed to be resisting my monk's critical threats a lot more then they were doing pre u11, so as a rogue you'll definately will feel the loss of DPS, but you will still have some DPS, just not as much as before.

TL;DR: Tank grabs CAD aggro, pulls CAD to corner, commence CAD beatdown

[fyrst.grok]

Might want to ask Krimsonrane

Don't think Krimson will ever be useless.. Was thinking of the rest of us mortals

Conjoined Abishai Devastator = CAD

Run I was in was pretty much standard as far as Echrono goes; Abishai come down, person takes aggro of all 5 and runs them around the pillar were suulomades pops up, then abishai get pulled to the dps pack one by one to be slaughtered. When all Abishai are dead, huddle up for a moment to get a few last minute buffs in, and a refresh on haste/rage, tank (in this case me) runs over to where the CAD drops down, sucks a set of Yugo pots to raise strength and hp, and pops the madstone rage clicky when the white flash appears. Tank after that proceeds to poke the CAD and then pull it to the corner which is relatively close to where you enter, takes 10 seconds to build up some initial aggro, and then calls in the rest of the DPS to start attackin it.

At white and black dragon forms DPS backs up for a little to prevent getting cursed/blown to bit by ice, before getting back to their jobs. Fast forward some minutes and the abishai is dead.


Fortification I'd guess at around ~60% to 75% for the eChrono bosses, they seemed to be resisting my monk's critical threats a lot more then they were doing pre u11, so as a rogue you'll definately will feel the loss of DPS, but you will still have some DPS, just not as much as before.

TL;DR: Tank grabs CAD aggro, pulls CAD to corner, commence CAD beatdown

Pretty much what it used to be then concerning tactics.

Oh well.. some dps is betterthan none.. Haven't had a chance to run those raids since the update yet, so it's nice to know.. I guess fvs fort debuff just got a lot more awesome.

[Noopleh]

Don't think Krimson will ever be useless..

QFT


So it seems the update has brought a new key-skill to the game... communication. I like that

[Forgeborn]

QFT


So it seems the update has brought a new key-skill to the game... communication. I like that

Just for the healers/casters, I could pretty much go AFK except that I had to suck curse pots after each black dragon, granted, rotating elemental strikes had my preference....

The upgrade on fort/HP hurt casters/healers the most, a DPS still has pretty much the same tasks as before, they just need to stand still/twitch longer then they had before. A healer/caster on the other hands needs to start managing his SP bar a lot more thoroughly, because where melee dps has unlimited swings, a cleric's healing is directly tied to that ever decreasing blue bar, Scrolls can help to a certain extend, but the cooldown on those is to lengthy to work on most tanks.

I do foresee, for raid healers, that they will need to learn to manage SP a lot more... thoroughly, think someone said it before, pay attention to double buffing, try to make sure you're not overhealing, but also keep the designated tank alive and relatively 'safe' [my run, I dropped down to around 50 HP before getting the talon of a mass cure]. At first of course this will require some pots regretfully.

also, who is 'valy'?

[Noopleh]

Just for the healers/casters, I could pretty much go AFK except that I had to suck curse pots after each black dragon, granted, rotating elemental strikes had my preference....

The upgrade on fort/HP hurt casters/healers the most, a DPS still has pretty much the same tasks as before, they just need to stand still/twitch longer then they had before. A healer/caster on the other hands needs to start managing his SP bar a lot more thoroughly, because where melee dps has unlimited swings, a cleric's healing is directly tied to that ever decreasing blue bar, Scrolls can help to a certain extend, but the cooldown on those is to lengthy to work on most tanks.

I do foresee, for raid healers, that they will need to learn to manage SP a lot more... thoroughly, think someone said it before, pay attention to double buffing, try to make sure you're not overhealing, but also keep the designated tank alive and relatively 'safe' [my run, I dropped down to around 50 HP before getting the talon of a mass cure]. At first of course this will require some pots regretfully.

SP conserve and a massive SP pool will help alot I guess.

I trully need to use a Heart on Searth and fix the mistake of making him a Evoker instead of a Healbot. When I DO fix it, i should roughly have 3200 something SP

Edit: Valy is valy

[Forgeborn]

SP conserve and a massive SP pool will help alot I guess.

I trully need to use a Heart on Searth and fix the mistake of making him a Evoker instead of a Healbot. When I DO fix it, i should roughly have 3200 something SP

Ehh, Massive SP pool is nice on a caster, but smart use of SP > ton of SP. Of course, a combination of the two works especially nice. My FvS will remain a LoB, will need to think about making him ex SP gear though, even though I most likely won't run him much anyways.

Edit: Valy is valy

didn't see any valy post in this tread, works for me though, curiosity stays at a peak.

[ChadB123]

Chad, did you use any different tactic at the conjoined abishai or is still tank grabs aggro pull in corner then melee beatdown?

Same thing pretty much. Have a tank and a bunch of support melee to hit it. Its pretty important now to make sure the tank has the fvs crown for the debuff though. We took out the trash both times they came out just because they were annoying. Besides that it is standard.

[Angelz_Fire]

It doesn't matter WHAT you do as a healer in pugs, you are going to get grief. The one Elite VoD I've healed, I used Burst/Aura/scrolls as much as possible, stayed with the melees (and let aura/burst hit tank as well), and shield blocked to get SP back with Torc/Conc. Opp. Party seldom got below 80% because other healer apparently was spamming every cure spell they had (every time I was about to cast a cure, party got topped off, so I didn't bother unless there was a big spike in damage.) End result: I get yelled at by the leader to "heal party and stop fighting" and to "quit healing tank and concentrate on party!" (There was only 1 death, a rogue who apparently didn't drink their remove curse pot fast enough)

This one experience alone is what keeps me from pugging any Epic raid unless it's people I know or who I've run with before. Epic Last Stand is fun enough when all 5 other players go their own separate directions when the 2nd round starts, and attack the mudmen first - I cannot even imagine what a Pug EChrono is like for healers

LOL this had to have been before U11 VOD elite now 1 death is long gone!

[PNellesen]

Keep the designated tank alive and relatively 'safe' My run, I dropped down to around 50 HP before getting the talon of a mass cure.

This is the biggest problem I'm having with the new UI - depending on where in the party list the designated tank is, it can be a real problem for me if I glance away for a second to see what's happening around me on screen, then try to focus again on the tank's health bar. I didn't have this problem at all with the old UI, even an hour after I started healing my very first raid. (I consider myself reasonably good at SP conservation, to the point I get comments about "why aren't you healing?" because I have "too much" SP left after a given fight or raid, even though nobody has died.)

LOL this had to have been before U11 VOD elite now 1 death is long gone!

So I'm hearing

I like a challenge, but there's "challenging" and there's "this is just a stupid waste of my resources for no reward". So far, I haven't read or heard anything that makes me think that the rewards for Epic/Elite content has changed in accordance with the change in difficulty. I get tired of running Elite Raids/Quests and not seeing a single named item drop for anyone in the group (such as Weapons Shipment) then running on Normal and seeing 2 Baubles and an Arrowhead (true story, that's how the guy in my sig got his Bauble). I know "random is random", but I see that sort of thing A LOT. Have seen no Torc in 18 Elite ADQ2s on one character, but saw it drop at least 3 times in Norm/Hard runs on my other Cleric. Why bother with Elite once you've done it 1 time for the favor? (Unless you're doing it for guild reknown, but then it's not usually going to be a PUG run...)

[Dendrix]

Do Elite once for favor, then do normal for loot.

risk vs reward.

Did ADQ last night on Normal. 2 * Torc, 1 * Sandy Glasses, 1 * chaosblade. On normal

[M0NKEYB0Y]

Do Elite once for favor, then do normal for loot.

risk vs reward.

Did ADQ last night on Normal. 2 * Torc, 1 * Sandy Glasses, 1 * chaosblade. On normal

OMG X I hate you!!!

[Terebinthia]

OMG X I hate you!!!

We three manned a DQ the other night, 1 caster cleric, 1 Sov Host TWF FvS, one toaster LOB FvS. I pulled a Chaosblade on my FvS, and a Sandstorm Glasses dropped.

I kept the Chaosblade to taunt melee with as a TWF