Which is King of the U11 TWF'ers?

[Cold_Stele]

OK we've all seen that the best TWF DPS in mod 11 is going to be HElf.

Which is going to be best - the more common Ftr12/Rgr6/Monk2 or lesss traditional Ftr12/Pally6/Monk2?

Ftr12/Ranger6/Monk2 pros/cons -

+1 attack/damage from starting 18
+1 attack and +3 damage from Ram’s Might
+10% off hand proc (approx +5% DPS)
+2 attack +6 damage 2 Favored Enemies
Can get another +3 attack/damage from Divine Favor from active Pally PL
1 less feat (gets TWF and ITWF free but has to buy Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack)
Diehard
Manyshot, Rapidshot

And the best bit -

Ranger Sprint Boost


Ftr12/Pally6/Monk2 pros/cons - (Cha taken as being 24 - 14base +2tome +7item +1enh)

-1 attack/damage from 16 starting Str (6 build points into Cha)
+2 attack/damage from Divine Favor (only gains another +1 from active Pally PL feat)
1 extra feat
+10% Healing Amp or +1d6 Evil Outsider damage
+12HP
+7 Will/Fort save, +4 Reflex
Divine Might/Righteousness - 9-10 x 1 minute clickies of +2 damage or +100% hate
1-2 x LOH for 192HP
Immunity to Fear/Disease
2 -4 x Exalted Smites (recharges) +24 to hit, +25 damage, +1 crit damage multiplier

And the best bit -

Constant spamming of Divine Sacrifice (3 second cooldown) +5d6 light damage (boosted by AoV), +1 crit damage multiplier (DOES THIS STILL PROC OFFHAND?)


Who wins? You decide.

[ainmosni]

20 fighter

-kicks a lot of ass
-gets all the women
-smell better than barbarian
-people who splash monk or pally must be lawful, and no one likes lawful people in an MMO
-splashes confuse me, how do i take 2 monk IRL

[Monkey_Archer]

-splashes confuse me, how do i take 2 monk IRL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

[grodon9999]

20 fighter

Not according to the DPS calcs so take that with a grain of salt. Helf monster/blitz FTW in U11.

For THF barbarian.

[Thrudh]

Can get another +3 attack/damage from Divine Favor from active Pally PL

This is the main reason to NOT splash Pally... You can get Divine Favor through a past-life instead. You can't get Ram's Might or Favored Enemies through past-life ranger.

Splashing Ranger also gets you a decent ranged option for those times when it's useful.

Ranger Sprint Boost

And I agree that I miss Sprint Boost when running my characters that don't have it.

[Thrudh]

Not according to the DPS calcs so take that with a grain of salt. Helf monster/blitz FTW in U11.

Heh, I've been playing a monster build all this time... And now it's going to be top-dog again?

[grodon9999]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

I feel 3% stupider for watching part of that. I made my save versus redneck and was able to stop the video.

[Meat-Head]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

lawlz

+1

[grodon9999]

Heh, I've been playing a monster build all this time... And now it's going to be top-dog again?

No, it's not. Horc pure-barbarians with ESoS will be (I think, will know for certain after U11 is live).

The monster needs to be helf to really see the advantages in U11. HV damage boost + haste Boost IV + 10% more off-hand attacks + 3d6 Sneak attack = win.

[grodon9999]

For what it's worth unless you put gobs of points in CHR I think the Monster build has about 5 more points of reflex save.

[Cold_Stele]

For what it's worth unless you put gobs of points in CHR I think the Monster build has about 5 more points of reflex save.

Like it says in the OP, 14 base Cha ends up at 24. Ranger 6 gets +3 reflex over Pally 6, but Pally adds +7 to all saves (so it's +4 reflex total, I'll edit OP).

Has anyone ever calculated DPS from Divine Sacrifice? It looks pretty potent...

[Thrudh]

Has anyone ever calculated DPS from Divine Sacrifice? It looks pretty potent...

3 second cooldown is kind of long.

[grodon9999]

Has anyone ever calculated DPS from Divine Sacrifice? It looks pretty potent...

The DPS calc does include this. how many smites will you have? Sustainable STR? What level Divine might?

[Therigar]

OK we've all seen that the best TWF DPS in mod 11 is going to be HElf.

Which is going to be best - the more common Ftr12/Rgr6/Monk2 or lesss traditional Ftr12/Pally6/Monk2?

Neither.

Best is going to be the build that can spam DoTs to augment TWF. The problem with all these discussions is simple -- they ignore damage caused by spells.

With the advent of DoTs, especially Divine Punishment, the best TWF will be the character that can spam and stack these on top of their melee damage.

[Dawnsfire]

Am I right to assume Blitz is going to take a big hit from the mods to the Barb past life?

[grodon9999]

Am I right to assume Blitz is going to take a big hit from the mods to the Barb past life?

The DPS hit is very small. The pain in the buttocks is the shorter rages.

[Thrudh]

The DPS hit is very small. The pain in the buttocks is the shorter rages.

Well, when they are out of rages completely (which will happen fairly quickly because of the shorter duration), they take a pretty big hit to DPS.

[grodon9999]

Well, when they are out of rages completely (which will happen fairly quickly because of the shorter duration), they take a pretty big hit to DPS.

hell all kensais do when they run out of boosts. I THINK you have enough rages to cover the amount of time you have power-surges.

That's the X-factor . . . how long will these fights post-U11 be? In the current game a 10-boost Kensai's got almost everything covered.

[Cold_Stele]

Neither.

Best is going to be the build that can spam DoTs to augment TWF. The problem with all these discussions is simple -- they ignore damage caused by spells.

With the advent of DoTs, especially Divine Punishment, the best TWF will be the character that can spam and stack these on top of their melee damage.

I don't know if you actually run one but FvS aren't the best melees by a longshot, they're just the most survivable.

I just leveled my WF FvS (Stelesoul of Ghallanda on myDDO). DPS is *mediocre* compared to pure melees. It takes *16 seconds* for DP to stack 3 times and start getting big numbers.

If they couldn't heal the rest of the party then no one would accept FvS melees into their groups - without multiple past lives they have the worst melee DPS, augmented by DOTS that are incredibly slow to build up. Sure, blade kiting is awesome, but it's not melee...

[maddmatt70]

I don't know if you actually run one but FvS aren't the best melees by a longshot, they're just the most survivable.

I just leveled my WF FvS (Stelesoul of Ghallanda on myDDO). DPS is *mediocre* compared to pure melees. It takes *16 seconds* for DP to stack 3 times and start getting big numbers.

If they couldn't heal the rest of the party then no one would accept FvS melees into their groups - without multiple past lives they have the worst melee DPS, augmented by DOTS that are incredibly slow to build up. Sure, blade kiting is awesome, but it's not melee...

So your biased opinion says when the real truth is dots do the most damage on bosses.