Which is King of the U11 TWF'ers?

[Cold_Stele]

OK we've all seen that the best TWF DPS in mod 11 is going to be HElf.

Which is going to be best - the more common Ftr12/Rgr6/Monk2 or lesss traditional Ftr12/Pally6/Monk2?

Ftr12/Ranger6/Monk2 pros/cons -

+1 attack/damage from starting 18
+1 attack and +3 damage from Ram’s Might
+10% off hand proc (approx +5% DPS)
+2 attack +6 damage 2 Favored Enemies
Can get another +3 attack/damage from Divine Favor from active Pally PL
1 less feat (gets TWF and ITWF free but has to buy Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack)
Diehard
Manyshot, Rapidshot

And the best bit -

Ranger Sprint Boost


Ftr12/Pally6/Monk2 pros/cons - (Cha taken as being 24 - 14base +2tome +7item +1enh)

-1 attack/damage from 16 starting Str (6 build points into Cha)
+2 attack/damage from Divine Favor (only gains another +1 from active Pally PL feat)
1 extra feat
+10% Healing Amp or +1d6 Evil Outsider damage
+12HP
+7 Will/Fort save, +4 Reflex
Divine Might/Righteousness - 9-10 x 1 minute clickies of +2 damage or +100% hate
1-2 x LOH for 192HP
Immunity to Fear/Disease
2 -4 x Exalted Smites (recharges) +24 to hit, +25 damage, +1 crit damage multiplier

And the best bit -

Constant spamming of Divine Sacrifice (3 second cooldown) +5d6 light damage (boosted by AoV), +1 crit damage multiplier (DOES THIS STILL PROC OFFHAND?)


Who wins? You decide.

[ainmosni]

20 fighter

-kicks a lot of ass
-gets all the women
-smell better than barbarian
-people who splash monk or pally must be lawful, and no one likes lawful people in an MMO
-splashes confuse me, how do i take 2 monk IRL

[Monkey_Archer]

-splashes confuse me, how do i take 2 monk IRL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

[grodon9999]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

I feel 3% stupider for watching part of that. I made my save versus redneck and was able to stop the video.

[Meat-Head]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

lawlz

+1

[Letrii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

"Don't go ninj'n nobody don't need ninj'n"

[Solmage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuigcXvcy1A

"Don't go ninj'n nobody don't need ninj'n" - epic win on that video.. so that's what splashing is like in RL.. huh.

[grodon9999]

20 fighter

Not according to the DPS calcs so take that with a grain of salt. Helf monster/blitz FTW in U11.

For THF barbarian.

[Thrudh]

Not according to the DPS calcs so take that with a grain of salt. Helf monster/blitz FTW in U11.

Heh, I've been playing a monster build all this time... And now it's going to be top-dog again?

[grodon9999]

Heh, I've been playing a monster build all this time... And now it's going to be top-dog again?

No, it's not. Horc pure-barbarians with ESoS will be (I think, will know for certain after U11 is live).

The monster needs to be helf to really see the advantages in U11. HV damage boost + haste Boost IV + 10% more off-hand attacks + 3d6 Sneak attack = win.

[grodon9999]

Not according to the DPS calcs so take that with a grain of salt. Helf monster/blitz FTW in U11.

Quoting myself, ran the numbers again in AO's calc (standard disclaimers . . .)

It's all too close to matter.

Pure fighter: 625.86 459.55

Blitz: 617.28 469.88

Monster: 628.71 472.19

This is with Lightning II khopeshes, 3 piece abishai (Charged Gauntlets instead of Claw), Ravager & Shintao, Seeker 6. Up the seeker to 12 and change Abishai to claw and the ratios stay about the same.

Whatever flavor of helf you want will be fine, play what you think will be the most fun.

[Thrudh]

Quoting myself, ran the numbers again in AO's calc (standard disclaimers . . .)

It's all too close to matter.

Pure fighter: 625.86 459.55

Blitz: 617.28 469.88

Monster: 628.71 472.19

This is with Lightning II khopeshes, 3 piece abishai (Charged Gauntlets instead of Claw), Ravager & Shintao, Seeker 6. Up the seeker to 12 and change Abishai to claw and the ratios stay about the same.

Whatever flavor of helf you want will be fine, play what you think will be the most fun.

Can I ask a big favor? What are the numbers for a halfling monster with no Damage Boost, and no half-elf rogue dilly (But with 3 ranks of Guile - so +6 sneak damage)?

[grodon9999]

Can I ask a big favor? What are the numbers for a halfling monster with no Damage Boost, and no half-elf rogue dilly (But with 3 ranks of Guile - so +6 sneak damage)?

Assuming the same gear:

578.41 435.15

[Cold_Stele]

@ Grodon +1 thanks for the updated numbers.

Can you run 6 Pally version there too? As it says in OP - 32pt would start 16Str not 18, Divine Might 1, max 4 Exalted Smites, 5d6 Divine Sacrifice.

[grodon9999]

@ Grodon +1 thanks for the updated numbers.

Can you run 6 Pally version there too? As it says in OP - 32pt would start 16Str not 18, Divine Might 1, max 4 Exalted Smites, 5d6 Divine Sacrifice.

EDIT: Figured it out. 595.48 447.57

[ainmosni]

Quoting myself, ran the numbers again in AO's calc (standard disclaimers . . .)

It's all too close to matter.

Pure fighter: 625.86 459.55

Blitz: 617.28 469.88

Monster: 628.71 472.19

This is with Lightning II khopeshes, 3 piece abishai (Charged Gauntlets instead of Claw), Ravager & Shintao, Seeker 6. Up the seeker to 12 and change Abishai to claw and the ratios stay about the same.

Whatever flavor of helf you want will be fine, play what you think will be the most fun.

sooooo


we're looking at a difference of about 10 dps lol

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

20 fighter

-splashes confuse me, how do i take 2 monk IRL

Buy them dinner first?

[Thrudh]

Can get another +3 attack/damage from Divine Favor from active Pally PL

This is the main reason to NOT splash Pally... You can get Divine Favor through a past-life instead. You can't get Ram's Might or Favored Enemies through past-life ranger.

Splashing Ranger also gets you a decent ranged option for those times when it's useful.

Ranger Sprint Boost

And I agree that I miss Sprint Boost when running my characters that don't have it.

[grodon9999]

For what it's worth unless you put gobs of points in CHR I think the Monster build has about 5 more points of reflex save.

[Cold_Stele]

For what it's worth unless you put gobs of points in CHR I think the Monster build has about 5 more points of reflex save.

Like it says in the OP, 14 base Cha ends up at 24. Ranger 6 gets +3 reflex over Pally 6, but Pally adds +7 to all saves (so it's +4 reflex total, I'll edit OP).

Has anyone ever calculated DPS from Divine Sacrifice? It looks pretty potent...