Warforged Damage Boost

[R0cksteady]

With the buffing of damage boost it would be pretty great to give damage boost to WF. It would give them a purpose when rolling melees again, Horc would still be on top for Barbarians and classes with damage boost, and Warforged would be on top for Fighters and Rangers.

It makes sense for WF to do more damage in melee than Humans and Half Elves, and it would give Warforges more use than just for Sorcs and archmages.

[Jay203]

pretty funny how things turn out isn't it?
a party game where a wf can focus on damage upfront melee distance while casters can support from rear, repairing the wf as necessary while throwing their fireballs and what not

now... "BYOH", "Be self-sufficient", "Vets, TRs only", "zerging, know wat you're doing"

[LeLoric]

With the buffing of damage boost it would be pretty great to give damage boost to WF. It would give them a purpose when rolling melees again, Horc would still be on top for Barbarians and classes with damage boost, and Warforged would be on top for Fighters and Rangers.

It makes sense for WF to do more damage in melee than Humans and Half Elves, and it would give Warforges more use than just for Sorcs and archmages.

Not unless they take away WF power attack and great weapon aptitude.

[R0cksteady]

Not unless they take away WF power attack and great weapon aptitude.

Why? Horcs get those as well as a ton of other damage increasing enhancements. Why not give WF another one that is only useful for a couple melee classes that don't get Damage Boost.

[Brennie]

Why? Horcs get those as well as a ton of other damage increasing enhancements. Why not give WF another one that is only useful for a couple melee classes that don't get Damage Boost.

Because Horcs don't get the plethora of other abilities Warforged get. Those abilities might not translate into raw damage, but they do often mean a much more survivible character.

When was the last time you saw a Horc Wizard, or raids looking for a Horc tank?

[Eso]

Why? Horcs get those as well as a ton of other damage increasing enhancements. Why not give WF another one that is only useful for a couple melee classes that don't get Damage Boost.

*cough* HORCS cant be healed with *casters* ...
WF is the god race atm,they dont need more buffs...

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[kuro_zero]

*cough* HORCS cant be healed with *casters* ...
WF is the god RACE atm,they dont need more buffs...

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ftfy

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WF are fine where they are. They have a good mix of damage enhancements (threat, PA, weapon appitude) combined with great survivability characteristics (+CON, immunities, arcane and divine healing). Besides, humans and helf should get the chance enjoy their exclusive dual-boosting perk.

[eulogy098]

Warforged melee only have two enhancements. Power attack and Healer Friend. Great Weapon aptitude basically does nothing anyone will ever notice.

Warforged immunities are almost all irrelevant anymore, particularly at end game, only the neg level immunity is of any value at all.

The potential of being repaired is completely matched by the massive 50% divine healing penalty, so that's not in the equation either.


Warforged need another worth while enhancement. Thought I don't necessarily feel that Damage Boost is the best way to go.

[licho]

Why? Horcs get those as well as a ton of other damage increasing enhancements. Why not give WF another one that is only useful for a couple melee classes that don't get Damage Boost.

The problem is that HO 2h with some barbarians levels has +14 dmg from race, which is more than +6 of WF or +4 of dwarves. (and i dont even count Fury) Comparing other race to HO is just not fair.

There is no problem that WF are overall weak melee class, its just HO being crazy better.

[noinfo]

Warforged melee only have two enhancements. Power attack and Healer Friend. Great Weapon aptitude basically does nothing anyone will ever notice.

Warforged immunities are almost all irrelevant anymore, particularly at end game, only the neg level immunity is of any value at all.

The potential of being repaired is completely matched by the massive 50% divine healing penalty, so that's not in the equation either.


Warforged need another worth while enhancement. Thought I don't necessarily feel that Damage Boost is the best way to go.

Saying that they need more buffing before ANY of the other races in regards to melee is so wrong I don't know where to begin. I understand it is an adjustment for WF to no longer be the only go to melee/caster race in the game at the moment however the things you just brushed off most races would happily trade their melee enhancements for.

50% diving healing penalty? Really? If there was a shortage of healing amp items and enhancements then this maybe an issue. In some cases where conservation of sp via scroll use is in play this is an issue otherwise those mass heal spells from a radiant servant will cut right through that.

[The_Brave2]

Warforged is still the master race, no need to beef it up.

How about some love for the less used races?

[noinfo]

With the buffing of damage boost it would be pretty great to give damage boost to WF. It would give them a purpose when rolling melees again, Horc would still be on top for Barbarians and classes with damage boost, and Warforged would be on top for Fighters and Rangers.

It makes sense for WF to do more damage in melee than Humans and Half Elves, and it would give Warforges more use than just for Sorcs and archmages.

Sorry just simply NO.

Why do WF need to be at the top of dps for anything? They have massive benefits from repair spells, numerous immunities, con bonuses and superior enhancements. There are no shortage of WF melee in the game at all. WF are no longer the only go to melee race and that is a good thing and there are other races that need melee buffs significantly more. WF wizards and sorcs get to keep their reconstruct spells even with artificers in game and IIRC it has been stated that those spells were only Artificer list spells in PnP, now that would be a nerf to come to the forums with (though my wizard would love to never have to recon a WF ever again). The fact that 1 race out performs them in pure melee damage is not an issue, and that 2 will have superior burst damage is something else I don't have an issue with either.

[Hawkwier]

Can anyone confirm if will these stack for a human barb?

TIA

[fyrst.grok]

Would rather have they get greatsword enhancements or greatweapon enhancements like HOrc.. Makes no sense to me that they both get power attack, great weapon aptitude and LoB is greatsword focused but the don't get a racial bonus like elves, drow, horc and dwarf.

[licho]

Just to point out: Boosting futher WF dmg will only increase inflacion of dps in game. What should be done is limiting HO supremacion.

However: There are a ways to buff race in more subtle way than moar dps.

Like:
DR - in theory this should be one of trademark of WF, but building for dr is prohibitive expansive now what if:
- At lv 1 WF could choose 1 type of plating to be proficient with
- Warforged ap dmg reducion cost is halved
- Improved dmg reducion feat is scaling with levels. (up to 5dr/adam)
So getting 10dr/adam is much easier if you choose that.

Metal layer
- For WF monks, they can choose one metal (like silver, coldiron...) and all unarmed attacks count as this metal dispite used wraps.
(but you can choose only one)

Construct Jam:
- Ability to "stun" constructs.

System Weakness:
- kind of FE construct line, some extra dmg and to hit, and possibility to lower fort and similar.

Warmachine experience:
-there is 10/20/30% than any combat tactics feat who normally will harm WF take no effect. but dmg is dealed as usual.
(this is little fluffy, but has some niche uses)

Just from top of my head. There is many more ways to give race some niche to shine, without just making it new flavor of the month".

[Xenostrata]

Warforged melee only have two enhancements. Power attack and Healer Friend. Great Weapon aptitude basically does nothing anyone will ever notice.

Warforged immunities are almost all irrelevant anymore, particularly at end game, only the neg level immunity is of any value at all.

The potential of being repaired is completely matched by the massive 50% divine healing penalty, so that's not in the equation either.


Warforged need another worth while enhancement. Thought I don't necessarily feel that Damage Boost is the best way to go.

I need to find a couple other people to agree with all the time, can't +rep you again

WF ARCANES are the god race at the moment, not melees. WF melees are inferior in every way except one against Horcs (being able to be repaired), and that doesn't make up for the fact that Healing Amp is king in most raids (especially since u11). Sure, a WF melee can spend a few item slots and 12 AP to get a healing amp equivalent to a human with no items and one enhancement - but that Horc that can severely out-dps the warforged will be getting a huge advantage from not needing to spend 12 AP and ending up at 2x heals with the items.

Immunity to neg levels is nice, but only useful against beholders. Until bosses start to spam dispel/disjunction and enervation/energy drain (which would be AWESOME, btw), WF will always be at a disadvantage meleeing when compared to fleshies.

Edit:

Sorry just simply NO.

Why do WF need to be at the top of dps for anything? They have minor benefits from repair spells, numerous useless immunities, con bonuses and superior enhancements that Horcs also get access to, plus they get all 2handers as favored weapons. There are no shortage of Horc melee in the game at all.

Fixed some things for you.

[fyrst.grok]

I need to find a couple other people to agree with all the time, can't +rep you again

WF ARCANES are the god race at the moment, not melees. WF melees are inferior in every way except one against Horcs (being able to be repaired), and that doesn't make up for the fact that Healing Amp is king in most raids (especially since u11). Sure, a WF melee can spend a few item slots and 12 AP to get a healing amp equivalent to a human with no items and one enhancement - but that Horc that can severely out-dps the warforged will be getting a huge advantage from not needing to spend 12 AP and ending up at 2x heals with the items.

Immunity to neg levels is nice, but only useful against beholders. Until bosses start to spam dispel/disjunction and enervation/energy drain (which would be AWESOME, btw), WF will always be at a disadvantage meleeing when compared to fleshies.

Edit:

Fixed some things for you.

Except for the arcane God statement I agree..
PM fleshies got same immunities and better dc's than wf and wf take a mean hit to main stat as sorc. Not to mention that robes are generally better for casters than docents.

[Carpone]

Not unless they take away great weapon aptitude.

Remove it. It's worthless the way it's implemented/costed today.

[Musouka]

It makes sense for WF to do more damage in melee than Humans and Half Elves, and it would give Warforges more use than just for Sorcs and archmages.

I feel sorry for your narrow view of Warforged and that they are only useful as sorcerers and archmages. I know of enough Warforged Barbarians, Fighters, Monks, Paladins, Rogues, Artificers, and even Bards that seem to know how to play their character and hold their own at contributing in Epic Raids and Quests.

I say no to your suggestion, because you are trying to dilute one of the perks from a couple of the other races.

Warforged are immune to being held, which is also a huge thing alongside immune to level drain. They get Racial CON and Toughness which are valuable. The ability to raise your con with AP is much better than using up level up points. Brute Fighting is great for tanks, although I know the new defender prestiges do much much more hate generation than any enhancements or items can match, Brute Fighting is good for those without the prestige. Warforged Tactics are also great, especially if you like to stun and trip, because it affects both at the same time.

I also think you're selling Warforged too short. They are a great class already, even without a damage boost enhancement.