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    Quote Originally Posted by eonfreon View Post
    To anyone who's talking about Supreme Cleave, please tell me :
    Is it somehow open to Fighters now? Because the OP's talking about a Fighter, not a Barbarian. So if Supreme Cleave isn't available to Fighters I don't see the relevance to the OP.

    If it now available to Fighters, then I apologize for my misinformation.
    No apologies for my segue here. If redlance has only recently returned, he is unaware of the boost to supreme cleave, and it is relevent information to the current topic of discussion.
    The thread started by the OP is long since answered and over (and wasn't even an informed question; twf v cleave is never a comparison that need happen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by eonfreon View Post
    To anyone who's talking about Supreme Cleave, please tell me :
    Is it somehow open to Fighters now? Because the OP's talking about a Fighter, not a Barbarian. So if Supreme Cleave isn't available to Fighters I don't see the relevance to the OP.

    If it now available to Fighters, then I apologize for my misinformation.
    My aren't we feeling crabby today ... the majority of the conversation has about the viability of the cleave series of feats. If the OP is a new player reading the thread then information about supreme cleave is very valuable to explain why some barbarian are gung ho on supreme cleave and that it operates differently than normal cleave/great cleave.

    I do agree he should have mentioned it was a barbarian only skill.
    Last edited by Talesin; 09-05-2011 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenNova View Post
    Cleave and Great Cleave on a fighter are effectively exclusively for trash
    As I did know. Thanks. Nothing changed then...
    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenNova View Post
    They can be activated during the action boost cooldown, so is a good substitute for quickdraw.
    If you have feats, you take quickdraw....

    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenNova View Post
    If redlance has only recently returned, he is unaware of the boost to supreme cleave, and it is relevent information to the current topic of discussion.
    I think we were talking about cleave/great cleave, not supreme cleave...

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    Ok, first TWF was an error; I did meant THF.

    My question was more in the direction of:
    Which does most damage, the increased damage on glancing blows with THF chain or the extra hits from the Cleave/Great Cleave feats.
    Because were talking glancing blows and multible enemies it only vs trash. And assume i have PA. (got the point)

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3dl4nce View Post
    trash mobs simply explode in few hits...
    i like your weapon....
    PS: Greensteel RUINED the game! and you all know it!
    less buffing, more nerfing!!!
    to make it easier for those of you that wants to avoid me in game, all my characters are in "Bladesworn Mercenaries"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay203 View Post
    i like your weapon....
    nothing strange, just 2 greensteel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3dl4nce View Post
    As I did know. Thanks. Nothing changed then...
    If you have feats, you take quickdraw....

    I think we were talking about cleave/great cleave, not supreme cleave...
    Why would you take quickdraw instead of cleave? Unless youre using tons of scrolls or something, cleave is effectively strictly superior with THF and probably superior with TWF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    Unless youre using tons of scrolls or something, cleave is effectively strictly superior with THF and probably superior with TWF.
    As I said in other posts, I'm talking only about cleave vs bosses. Cleave / greate cleave vs bosses (single target dps) is useless. So I don't really see that as a useful feat. Only bosses are difficult mobs, trashes explode, cleave or not.

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    From playing about with with both it loooks like Cleave > Quickdraw, regardless of target.

    Quickdraw cuts pause time to 0.6 secs, Cleave actually allows you to attack in the pause time instead.
    Last edited by Cold_Stele; 09-06-2011 at 05:54 AM.

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