WF AC Tank?

[Khurse]

Hey all, just randomly musing how much AC I could put on a geared out WF tank without splashing Monk levels.
Am toying with the idea of a high healing Amp THF/S&B build, but I can't seem to make the AC wotk.
(Of course, I'm not an AC guy)

I'm looking at the docents, and not seeing anything jump out at me. AM I missing something or are the 80/90 AC's out of reach without a Monk splash?

[Vissarion]

This thread is a little old, but can probably give you some starting points on WF tanks: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=198820

[Calebro]

Curious about this myself, I played with the builder for a bit.
I quickly built a WF 12 fighter / 6 paladin / 2 rogue that has potential for low 90s before epic gear is factored in.
I'm going to play with the gear a bit tomorrow night or Monday and I'll get back to you. I'm basically just posting so I'll be subscribed to this thread when I want to find it again.

[Vissarion]

I'm pretty sure with all the ways available to increase Dex, you'd probably be better off going with a high dex and composite plating, rather than one of the other plating options. Working from Anthios' stat breakdown of 16/16/16/11/6/9, the following would be possible for a Stalwart Defender III WF (with a 2 rogue splash):

10 base
2 Composite Plating
12 Dexterity (16 base + 7 item + 3 tome + 1 enhancement + 3 exceptional + 2 ship + 2 Yugo = 34)
8 Docent (Epic Blademark's seems a decent option)
10 Shield (New large alchemical shields with +7 slotted in the red slot)
4 Insight (Alchemical shield)
5/6 Natural (Cove hat/Epic Seal of Earth)
3 Dodge (Chattering Ring)
2 Dodge (Mabar Cloak/Crafted Trinket/Tharaak Bracelet)
5 Protection (Min II)
3 Profane (Abishai Boots/Cloak/Gloves, which would force you to slot +2 dodge either on Bracers or Trinket)
2 Alchemical Rituals
1 Dodge Feat
3 Stalwart III
2 Stalwart ToD Set
4 Stance

76/77 Standing AC

5 Combat Expertise
3 Ship Buffs
2 Recitation
1 Haste
4 Bard Song

91/92 Buffed

2 Alchemical (Fabricator Bracers)
2 Dex (Fab Bracers)

95/6 (Assuming Fab Bracers are sustainable)

Probably missing one or two things, but I think this is the ballpark for what you could expect AC-wise.

[Warganom]

Noticed a couple things, you can get 6+ Protection from Epic Ring of Silver Concord though not at the same time as you get 6+ Natural Armor from Epic Seal of Earth and +2 from the Stalwart Defender ToD set though. You can also get 10 from an armor I believe, Epic Red Dragonscale Docent has 6+ Enhancement Bonus, and 3+ Reinforced Plating plus one additional enhancement point from the blue augment slot.'

10 Base
2 Composite Plating
7 Enhancement Bonus
3 Reinforced Plating
12 DEX Bonus (16 base + 7 item + 3 tome + 1 enhancement + 3 exceptional + 2 ship + 2 Yugo = 34)
1 Eldrich Armor AC Ritual
10 Shield Bonus (Epic Kundarak Warding Shield, if it is possible to slot two +1 enhancements in the same item)
1 Eldrich Shield AC Ritual
3 +3 Dodge Bonus
2 +2 Dodge Bonus
3 Profane Bonus (Abashi set)
4 Superior Parrying, Insight Bonus
5 Protection
5 Natural Armor
1 +1 Natural Armor/ Protection from one of Epic Ring of Silver Concord or Epic Seal of the Earth.
3 Stalwart Defender III
2 Stalwart Defender ToD Set
4 Fabricator's Bracers proc
1 Dodge Feat
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79 Armor Class Standing
1 House Deneith Defender
1 Clan Gnashtooth Kobold Shaman
1 House Kundarak Battlemaster
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82 Armor Class Ship buffed
4 Superior Defensive Stance
5 Combat Expertise
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91 Stanced
1 Haste
1 Airgaurd Haste
2 Recitation
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95 Selfbuffed
3 Halfling Heroes Companion
4 Bard Song
6 Bulwark of Good
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108 Star Aligned

Hm, can Warforged use armor bracers and such to get 8+ Armor Bonus with composite plating? For a total of 15 with the enhancement bonus?

[Vissarion]

Hm, can Warforged use armor bracers and such to get 8+ Armor Bonus with composite plating? For a total of 15 with the enhancement bonus?

No, they're both classed as armor bonuses.

[Calebro]

<all that>

You can't include on-hit effects such as haste guard on a build that is designed to NOT be hit, so that's -1.
You can't rely on halfling companion as it isn't sustainable, so that's -3.
You can't rely on a pally aura unless you are the pally, so that's -6.
That leaves your more realistic cap at 98.
That 98 assumes you can actually fit all of those effects and gear into your build, which seems like a stretch. And even if you could fit it in, you've left out the healing amp that he asked for in the OP.
This isn't an exercise in theory-crafting. This was a question as to what would be realistic. It is not my belief that your numbers are realistic.

[grodon9999]

. . .
That 98 assumes you can actually fit all of those effects and gear into your build, which seems like a stretch. And even if you could fit it in, you've left out the healing amp that he asked for in the OP.
This isn't an exercise in theory-crafting. This was a question as to what would be realistic. It is not my belief that your numbers are realistic.

If this is a WF tank it better have Epic gloves of the claw, that rules out the +7 DEX and makes abishai problematic.

[Vissarion]

If this is a WF tank it better have Epic gloves of the claw, that rules out the +7 DEX and makes abishai problematic.

You could get +7 Dex on the Cove ring and go with a +5 Natural AC hat. Abishai could be Gloves/Cloak/Boots, but that complicates ToD.

The difficulty of slotting all the AC stuff and enough healing amp probably makes WF unadvisable, I suppose. I know that I considered a WF Stalwart briefly before ultimately going with Halfling.

[FrozenNova]

High healing amp non-monk warforged? What?

[Jendrak]

I actually considered building my stalwart as a WF before deciding on a dwarf simply because i didnt have one yet. Ill post the build after i flesh it out(or hammer it out in this case) again when I'm not at work and cruseing the forums on a phone.

[Warganom]

You can't include on-hit effects such as haste guard on a build that is designed to NOT be hit, so that's -1.

Point taken.

You can't rely on halfling companion as it isn't sustainable, so that's -3.
You can't rely on a pally aura unless you are the pally, so that's -6.

Stars aligned kinda means that I don't believe it will ever happen unless you get some friends together to take a screenshot. I never said that it would be sustainable... Though I should kinda have put Bard song on it's own since it's most of the time accessable in raids.

And even if you could fit it in, you've left out the healing amp that he asked for in the OP.
This isn't an exercise in theory-crafting. This was a question as to what would be realistic. It is not my belief that your numbers are realistic.

"Hey all, just randomly musing how much AC I could put on a geared out WF tank without splashing Monk levels."

He never said that he wanted a build, all he said was that he was wondering how much AC you could get on a WF without splashing monk levels.

And as far as I can tell he can get all that, except for the 1+ Natural Armor/ Protection from Epic Seal of the Earth/ Epic Ring of Silver Concord. He couldn't fit in 3+ Dodge, the Stalwart set and one of those since the Stalwart set takes up the neck slot which means no Grim's, and that would mean he'd have to get Chattering Ring, but other then that it's plausable. And I've always found that a good AC breakdown helps alot when planing gear, you can just remove items until you have whatever AC you're aiming for. To achieve 97 AC though he'd already have 8 slots taken, so I'd probobly drop it abit lower then that.