Dwarven axes and Bastard swords are more damage than khopesh

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Haha, hilarious thread. I can't count the amount of rep I gave out in this thread on 5 fingers.

And Damionic please, for the love of god, take your time and calculate it a bit. Then realize how wrong you are, and then move on. You will get nowhere in this thread at the rate your going, you aren't right, and you never will be for as long as you are unable to count properly.

The 80% proc rate is only affecting the rate you hit with your offhand, that is, your offhand attackspeed.
And attackspeed affects all three weapon types equally.

[Nyvn]

K, Thanks

[OsOscarius]

But but...he's so cute and look so hungry.

Please, only a little tiny bit?
It won't hurt anyone and it'll be a laugh!

[Aaxeyu]

K, Thanks

This guy is not a troll.

[Indoran]

I will just say: go ahead, roll a bastard sword build, that way If I ever pug you out I can on sight recognize your noobness and kick you out

lol

[Seamonkeysix]

I will just say: go ahead, roll a bastard sword build, that way If I ever pug you out I can on sight recognize your noobness and kick you out

lol

I want an Epic Chimera's Fang on my S+B hate tank build. Now I feel like a noob.

[Seamonkeysix]

Haha, hilarious thread. I can't count the amount of rep I gave out in this thread on 5 fingers.

And Damionic please, for the love of god, take your time and calculate it a bit. Then realize how wrong you are, and then move on. You will get nowhere in this thread at the rate your going, you aren't right, and you never will be for as long as you are unable to count properly.

The 80% proc rate is only affecting the rate you hit with your offhand, that is, your offhand attackspeed.
And attackspeed affects all three weapon types equally.

Agreed. I can't step away from the computer in fear I will miss the next post that makes me laugh so hard I spew stuff out my nose!

[Nyvn]

This guy is not a troll. I could tell you what he is, but I don't want to risk an infraction.

He's close enough to warrant the same treatment.

[TheDearLeader]

I will just say: go ahead, roll a bastard sword build, that way If I ever pug you out I can on sight recognize your noobness and kick you out

lol

Yanno, sad thing is, Aneist is a TWF KotC with twin eFangs. I *use* Bastard swords. But in doing so, I also identify that it is subpar when compared to Khopeshes. When this new Update pops, I'm seriously considering dropping Extend, and grabbing Khopesh. The alchemical bonuses look too sweet to pass up on, and being Human means I have the Feat for it.

There are plenty of times when a Bastard Sword will outdamage a Khopesh, if we take things out of context. A Bastard Sword will outdamage a Khopesh when:

• You're fighting 100% Fort or more Mob with equal BS/Khopesh, where neither has a "Burst" effect. +5 BS/+5 Khopesh.
• You're BS Proficient, but not Khopesh Proficient, and that -4 to-hit makes you miss on a 5 or lower.
• You're fighting Horoth, and you use a +5 Holy Burst Silver Bastard Sword of GEOBane, or you're using a +1 Acid Touch Khopesh from Harbor.
• You're using a Min II BS *or* Min II Khopesh - but the BS user is a 20 Kensei with Bard Buffs, max gear, and Halfling Hero's Companion IV, and the Khopesh user is a non-proficient Sorc with no buffs, and base 8 Str.

So yeah, let's all swap to Bastard Swords guys - when looking at this thorough and conclusive report, I just can't understand why we've all been using Khopeshes on our toons...

[Doomcrew]

You're fighting Horoth, and you use a +5 Holy Burst Silver Bastard Sword of GEOBane, or you're using a +1 Acid Touch Khopesh from Harbor.

/chuckles

[Kinerd]

Whats not to get?

lets start with a 100% to hit rate and lets be generous and say 10% would score a crit.

This is not how it works. There is no generosity. There is only the critical threat of a the weapon and the fortification of the target. A khopesh and bastard sword have the same critical threat: 19-20, or 17-20 with Keen or Improved Critical. There is also no 100% to-hit: a 1 always misses.

now lets factor in the assumed 80% off hand to hit at 8% crit.

now add -4 to hit moving 6% (again this is guessing as i cannot work out each outcome with differing "to-hit" rates, strength rates, weapon enchantment rates, buff rates

2-4% (plus an average 6% main hand crit chance) off hand crit chance.

This is not how it works. Even if the -4 to hit is relevant, you will still confirm 16/20ths of your criticals, so your main hand would go from 10% to 8% (not 6%).

If my off hand is hitting for an average of 60% and my main at an average of 80% then having 4 extra base damage (2 extra on each hand) all of the time (each time you score a hit)

Bastard swords never have 2 more base damage than khopeshes. The basic bastard sword (1d10) is 1 more damage than the basic khopesh (1d8), the green steel versions (2d8 and 1d10, respectively) are 3.5 apart.

Then your precious crit might out damage the bastard sword, but the bastard sword would be more reliable when your not critting.

If you mean against 100 fort, then of course bastard swords are better. Against any less fortified target, criticals occur at a fixed rate. For any 100 swings, you would reliably expect about 20*(1-fortification) crits for each weapon. It would be extremely unlikely to see 100 or 0.

Until you get off your arse and "PROVE" me wrong with hard numbers ,im still going use the bastard sword!

Sometimes when everyone disagrees with you, it's not because they're an unthinking mob. It's because you're just wrong.

[bhgiant]

Thank you for the lols. Haven't laughed this hard for a while

[voodoogroves]

1+1 = 2

therefore, 1+1 x 2 = 4!!!

You're not programming in the right language. In something with a message-based OO format like Smalltalk, that is CLEARLY 4 ;-)

Of course, in RPN that's simply an "error".

Maybe that's what we don't understand? He's using an old HP calculator?

[jandhaer]

So last night I thought what wepon REALLY does the most damage

what did I do ... I started running numbers to test which does the most damage in 100 hits I tood the damage dice and instead of rolling it 100 times I maxed it 100 times and insead of rolling a d20 to figure out whether or not it crits since it is 100 hits I took the chance to hit and that is how many times it crits in 100 hits and the numbers look like this

khopesh 8x90=720 norm dmg 8x3(10)=240 crit dmg +120 dmg if a burst effect is active 1080 net dmg

Dwarven axe 10x95=950 norm dmg 10x3(5)=150 crit dmg +60 dmg if burst effect is active 1160 net dmg

Bastard Sword 10x90=900 norm dmg 10x2(10)=200 crit dmg +60 dmg if burst effect is active 1160 net dmg

(NOTE)
all burst damage is based off of a d6

this is just so wrong with so much incomplete data that its baffling you posted it.

[jandhaer]

I will just say: go ahead, roll a bastard sword build, that way If I ever pug you out I can on sight recognize your noobness and kick you out

lol

although this is also wrong as I have a feeling there will be MANY bastard sword wielding Artificers (whenever they come out) and sword and board may make a come back (at least for a time) with the changes with the Epic Chimera especially.

[count_spicoli]

has anyone ever tried taking bastard swords with twf line and thf line? would be expensive on feats but interesting to see the xtra attacks with the glancing blows to boot. just a thought.

[TheDearLeader]

has anyone ever tried taking bastard swords with twf line and thf line? would be expensive on feats but interesting to see the xtra attacks with the glancing blows to boot. just a thought.

Glancing Blows with a Bastard Sword aren't compatible with TWF. You either get one, or the other, not both.

[eonfreon]

has anyone ever tried taking bastard swords with twf line and thf line? would be expensive on feats but interesting to see the xtra attacks with the glancing blows to boot. just a thought.

THe only way to get glancing blows with a Bastard sword is with either a shield equipped or nothing in the offhand (one handed fighting).

The only way to get the TWF speed is with two Bastard swords (or 2 weapons, basically).

THe two do not combine.

You could get both line of Feats, but TWF would only come into play when two weapons are equipped and glancing blows only come into play when one weapon is equipped (currently only one handed weapons that benefit from glancing blows are Bastard Sword and DAxe).

Edit: Actually basically as DearLeader says above me already. Sorry, redundant post is redundant, my bad .

[count_spicoli]

ok thanks for the info

[xMalix]

Pfft everyone knows Great Maces own all. Heres why.

1. Because therye GREAT. Just look Great axe = uber core. So, Great maces ftw!

2. Great maces can be used with twf 1d8 and thf 2d10.

3. Great Maces do x6 crits on a 15-20. This is before improved crit.

4. This will be true intill they come out with sword chucks. Which is on Lammina server now. Here is link to prove that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rNd3tseVFw