Leaving DDO because of setting

[Uska]

Well to be honest I am here partly because it is set in Eberron if it had been set in the better they were forgotten realms I likely wouldn't be here

[9Crows]

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

I say we let the door have its way with him

[Maxallu]

Huh. Here I was under the impression that D&D, and roleplaying in general, could be anything and everything you wanted it to be.

You know, imagination.

No, it can only be high fantasy, duh. Robots? Ugh, i have not played in a year, but i'm outta here.



LOL at OP.

[budalic]

If people like steampunk that is fine. It's no reason to hijack other people's genre and try to force them to play robots with you.

This part is especially crazy. Devs made game, it's set in Eberron. Deal with it - if you don't like it you don't have to play it. But nobody did hijack your game - because DDO isn't your game. It's Turbine's.

[stretchcore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=sgM4pLojXc0
On a not unrelated topic, this song makes me want to make my next character WF.

[Chai]

Not really, there are 7 sisters, Artemis Enteri, Bunch of uber-drow (Gromph and Quen'thel Baenire, for starters), not to mention rather meddling-in-the-affairs-of-mortals dieties (hello, Mystra) ...and they are all better than you. Doing anything in that setting is rather stupid - why should we fight theese undead when X will come and beat them all?

Badly written novels just cement that notion.

I mean, WotC themseves had to do 100 years later and multiple-disaster-storyline **** just to get some breathing space for adventurers in it. And it was **** even after they did it.

Greyhawk, ok. Blackmoor, cool. Dragonlance, so-so. Eberron/Dark Sun/Planescape... flavored, but very cool. FR? overdetailed, overpopulated, and too much celebrity-porn from book authors.

EDIT: And I'm sure new Neverwinter game won't be even comparable to DDO. I mean, it's more like Borderlands than MMORPG already.

Um, what?

There are a ton of good FR novels. Too bad most dont see past the stereotype fantasy realm that caters to 16 year olds to read them because the best selling novels are those that cater to that crowd.

Most of eberron is cobbled together stuff from past settings. The 100 years later multi-disaster storyline is Dragonlance, most of the races are FR or previous, and they changed the names of the characters to make it all slightly different. Im actually sitting here reading the first Dragonlance setting guide and Im on the chapter where the giants used to be beautiful and civilized, until the war with the dragons, and out of the ashes came the brutes players see today, with very few still holding their true power from back inthe giant empire days.

[budalic]

Most of eberron is cobbled together stuff from past settings. The 100 years later multi-disaster storyline is Dragonlance, most of the races are FR or previous, and they changed the names of the characters to make it all slightly different. Im actually sitting here reading the first Dragonlance setting guide and Im on the chapter where the giants used to be beautiful and civilized, until the war with the dragons, and out of the ashes came the brutes players see today, with very few still holding their true power from back inthe giant empire days.

I was talking about 4E revision of FR. 100 years later, Mystra dead, Spellplague and stuff like that.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Look guys, I hate stuff. Not just in an "I don't care for that" kind of way. No, I hate things so much that I'm forced to point out those things to the people who do like them.

Nope, this is barely amusing even when I inject some sarcasm. I'm disappointed, OP.

[Tinco]

So many misconceptions in the OP, I don't even know where to start. Claiming that Eberron is 'Steampunk' and filled with 'Robots' only shows that the person in question has no idea and most likely therefore does not care about the lore of the game world, which is fine. Deducting a rejection of the setting based on the abundance of knowledge is not fine.

And how you relate magic technology, magic-induced industrialism and sentient constructs to 'childish' is just laughable. Like it or not, that's your thing, but you fail at making any valid point in this regard.

PS: I like the warcraft lore way more than the highly inconsistent generic high fantasy that the FR imo is.

[DawnofEntropy]

The way I see it Warforged do seem a tad bit out of place, I'm a hardcore wf player by the way.
Everything else seems to fit in quite well. I don't think Golem should be sentient life.
I like it like this.
If there's magic why can't we exploit it to replace technology?
That's my complaint about the classic DnD setting and most fantasy games.

This game isn't childish nor adult. It's primary target seems to be 13-21 which is the primary age that plays mmos so you can't complain logically.

Now Goblins are an issue. We need them as other than dragons, Goblins are probably the most greatly recognized enemy.

Gnomes are okay, we don't need them but I can't object much if some cooler races come first.

In case of your insult about ddo being like w.o.w. W.o.W. has gnomes and goblins. You can play it instead. It's a generic fantasy setting.

[cdemeritt]

lol's... bye!

[Oakianus]

I can see why you're so upset, since there were none of these elements until very recently and you got to spend the five years you played here not having to deal with giant robots at all.

[vermentto]

i don't agree.

Mechanic had always been present in DnD ( what is a crossbow , a siege engine ...a golem , a shield guardian ...if not mecha stuff ? )
whatever the plane .eberron or my beloved FRealms (yes they re the best , and i agree drizzt and elminster are not the best part of it , but eberron is just a drop compared to the ocean that is FRealms in terms of complexity and variety ...and there is artemis entreri XD best salvatore toon ever with jarlaxle )

Magic is very very common in DnD , and magic items are producted by guilds and realms in huge quantities , in a very rational way.There is international trade ,even interplanar trade , magic item industry. , etc.

DnD isnt like most other fantasy settings : magical items aren't coming out of nowhere for no real reason in small quantities.
In DnD its market and politic law.You need armies of ground infantry , arcanes and orders of divines , with cavalry etc , all heavy magical geared , for the same reason great nations needs aircraft carriers and battletanks IRL.
Unlike warhammer or wow , there is a sort of logic in DnD , which is rather unusual for a fantasy setting .

So is it steampunk ? no , steampunk doesnt allows magic , its lowtech scientific worlds , unlike DnD which is a high magic industrial world.Both have common points , but a lot more differences.
And steampunk is usually highly illogic with impossible stuff according to its own setting ( since using the IRL one , and no , armored zeppelins with dozens of cannons cannot fly or even work , and a humanoid armored unit is a dumb idea , study design and u ll find why ) , unlike DnD , which has it own logic and stick perfectly to it.

In FRealms , where do you think the Cormyr (long live !) or the Zentharim ( same ! they re the best ! XD) gear and train theirs dozens of thousand of purple dragons/blackguards and war wizards and golems , their armies being seas of high lvls toons cladded in magical steel, flanked by batallions of mechas and monsters on the field ?
Factories, training grounds.Industry.Lots of it.really lots !
Its not warhammer where armies of orcs live in the heart of the empire in a smalll wood ( so ridiculous....)
or wow ,where mobs just spawn somewhere ....( XD )

You just dont like DnD , not just eberron.face it and find something you like.

[Memnir]

I'll miss you.
No, really... I will. For reals and stuff.

[katz]

I have to be honest. I never liked Eberron from the beginning.
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I hate what wizards of the coast and Turbine has done to dungeons and dragons.
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Eberron setting is going fullout twinkey now, and the game (whihc I haven't played in a year) is lame.
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bye

[Aashrym]

Eberron setting is going fullout twinkey now, and the game (whihc I haven't played in a year) is lame.

So the opinion comes from zero play time to see what it really is?

[bigolbear]

if your looking for a more traditional fantasy mmo id recomend lotro to be honest. its free to play too so if you havent tried it do so. you cant get more traditional fantasy than tolkien.

Have to say much as I do enjoy the occasional jaunt there the combat system in ddo always brigns me back.

Other than that id suggest dragon age origins. If your willing to put plot over grafix then id suggest baldurs gate, icewind dale and morowind.

Best of luck in your travels, shame to see a roleplayer leave but hey if your not having fun here then go find some elsewhere.

[dunklezhan]

Have I read the whole thread? No. Am I gonna? No.

Im sorry you don't like the setting OP. But Turbine really haven't done anything to it. The only thing they've done 'wrong' is to set it on Xendrik rather than Khorvaire - if it was on khorvaire the 'steampunk' you speak of would be even stronger. They set it on Xendrik I think so they could make it more like 'traditional' DnD - Xendrik is basically the unknown, currently uncivilised continent and it gives turbine more freedom to do what they want, plotwise.

Go listen to the latest DDOCast. There's a 20 minute interview with the creator of the whole setting - the pen and paper setting. He explains what its all supposed to be, and he even sort of hints at the parts of DDO he doesn't think match his original vision. But I gotta tell you, the 'steampunk' (its 'arcanepunk' really) isn't one of those parts. He's thrilled that this installment is one of those very mechs you hate - the Lord of Blades.

The LoB is the Big Bad of the original setting, with the one exception of some necromancer off on a little island kingdom somewhere (while we're on the subject, the LoB in the original setting is L12, and the necromancer is a L15 - Eberron is supposed to be a low-mid level campaign)


My point is that its not DDO you hate. It's Eberron. And that's fair enough, there's plenty of people feel the same way as you - I can't get my tabletop group to play an eberron campaign for love nor money because one of them is violently - violently - opposed to sentient constructs. Irrational if you ask me, since we've spent 15 years playing Shadowrun, but hey.

So if you want a 'pure' fantasy setting, I hear Conan is now F2P. Enjoy!

[Xionanx]

Maybe the next time I take a break from DDO I'll make an I'm leaving thread and list all the reasons..

Bats, Scorpions, / any mob that goes damage immune for no **** good reason other then to take longer to kill... its not like they get "stronger" or "do more damage"... there.. thats a good reason to quit DDO.

lol

[bandyman1]

Warforged = Living wood wrapped in armor = TREANT wearing platemail = NOT STEAM PUNK

Umm..No.

A Treant is a natural, living being. Not a sentient construct.

Magical Arm cannons = MAGIC = Not Steam Punk

Ala mega-man, right?.

Eberron is a HIGH magic campain setting, and most of the stuff in it that you are attributing to "Technology" is nothing more then the next logical step for a society in a world where magic is everywhere.

Where in Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance a town needed a street lamp, they would use oil buring torches; In eberron a wizard casts permanancy on the light spell on a rock.

Don't know much about the FR, do ya? Try reading up on Waterdeep.

Where in Forgtotten Realms and Dragonlance you need a horse drawn carriage on wheels; in eberron a wizards casts tensfers floating disc, makes in permanent, and binds it to a "Frame" and then uses controlled "gust of wind" spells to propel it.

So on and so forth.

Stop being a closed minded individual and SEE the magic for what it is.

It's got nothing to do with not seeing magic for what it is. It's simply that a lot of people find too much technology mixed with high fantasy distasteful. There's a reason why Ebberron ( and settings like it ) rank so low in popularity amongst PnP players.




That said; Turbine went with Ebberron because WotC told them they were going to. It wasn't really a decision on their part. /shrugs.