My Drow assassin

[Norean]

This is the build my main is using. What do you guys think?

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Porkys Revenge
Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 22
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            18                    30
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         14                    18
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               8                    34
Bluff                 0                     8
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy             4                    25
Disable Device        6                    32
Haggle                0                     2
Heal                 -1                     1
Hide                  8                    42
Intimidate            0                     2
Jump                  5                    26
Listen               -1                     3
Move Silently         8                    42
Open Lock             8                    34
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     5
Search                6                    30
Spot                  3                    26
Swim                  1                     3
Tumble                n/a                  24
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device III
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

[maha0201]

I had elf 2wf dex based rog as 1st character - mine observation was that i won't go finesse way ever again

Drop OTWF and grab PA if you don't get sneak attack - you are doing it wrong

[malicia]

Str to 16, Dex to 15 or 16, Leave the Con, drop Int to 12. All level ups to Str.

Finesse -> Power Attack

OTWF should be swapped to Khopesh unless you plan to TR, then OTWF should go to Past Life:Rogue when you do and dont bother making nice Khopesh.

If you are bent on leaving it a Dex build, swap OTWF for Power Attack.

[Norean]

Int to 12. That would mean that I need to drop a skill. Which skill would you suggest? Also, if I were to go kopesh instead of rapiers, which is what I'm using now, then should I replace improved crit piercing with slashing?

[maha0201]

Int to 12. That would mean that I need to drop a skill. Which skill would you suggest? Also, if I were to go kopesh instead of rapiers, which is what I'm using now, then should I replace improved crit piercing with slashing?

yes on improved critical slashing, as for skill you can drop hide

[Norean]

Drop hide. Hide helps me sneak up and assassinate things. Why do you say drop hide?

[maha0201]

You are doing sneak attack if you don't have aggro.
To preform assassinate you need to be in sneak mode.
Hide can only help you if you go solo and try to go pass mobs and I didn't find hide helpful in groups and it is not connected with sneak attack dmg.
You have then choice between move silently, tumble, diplomacy, hide, open lock ...

[malicia]

For the dropped skill id probably take jump/tumble up half and half, hide/ms can both be quite handy, if you plan to play a sneaky thief, if you dont then both will be a waste of points.

Youll eventually get your jump-clicky amrath belt at which stage most of your Jump points will be wasted.

[Norean]

I actually sneak all the time. So jump and tumble can both be reduced. I would imagine that after I reach 7 and the tome kicks in I can then start putting points in both. I've read that jumping caps at some point. Can you tell me any information about that? It might effect how many points I put into jump at all.

[malicia]

Cap for jump is 40 iirc.

So a Str build with the 30 jump clicky hits this really easily.

[Norean]

The clicky adds 30 to jump? My guild runs amrath quests frequently so I should get that belt eventually. With so many points in str, should I invest in jump at all? Speaking of my guild running amrath quests... I have run sins with them many times trying for that assassin belt with no success. I log in yesterday and they start telling me that they ran sins while I was logged out and 4 assassin belts dropped. They kept going on about how so many dropped but no one in the group was an assassin so no one needed it. My guildies are mean...

[MeatSheild]

And as for hide and MS I backpack Epic claw with 56 buffed (only the ones that last more than 10min) and dont get seen. I did alot of testing this on my rogues 1st life: 54=fail every time, 55=50/50 chance of fail, 56=no fail. I real wish I would have taken screen shots of this testing (guess I still could, but I'm lazy). When I TR'd my rogue I used the 56 as a goal for all my trapping skills and Hide/MS and only counted in what I could self buff and that lasted for a while/gear swapping. I have only failed on epic traps that I forgot to swap all my gear on, but I still have some issues with elite gianthold (the DC's on some of those things are nuts).

What I'm tring to say here is look at your skills and gear. See what you want to swap and what you dont want to swap around. Once you know the numbers that fit your gameplay use your planner to findout what numbers you need to hit and how far you realy need to boost your int. You might find out that a base 12 with a +2 tome is more than plenty, but keep in mind you assasinate DC is based off your int mod.

[Truga]

yes on improved critical slashing, as for skill you can drop hide

If the OP wanted to play a barbarian they'd probably roll a barbarian.

@OP, rapiers are fine. With the drow enhancements, they are maybe 5% behind khopesh, before you even take sneak attack into consideration. Also, turbine is now adding new weapons that can use dex as damage mod. Currently the only good one for assassins is epic midnight's greetings, but I imagine they'll add more in the future. Therefore, you're probably not losing much in the long run for going dex.

Also, never drop INT on an assassin. I'd say 16 minimum on a drow, since INT on drow is so cheap (assassinate owns, and the higher your int, the more it owns). 14 STR is fine, 16 will only give you one more point of damage/hit, which is not a big deal, but costs 4 build points. Build points which you need elsewhere, especially on a drow rogue (-2 con blows).

If I started a drow rogue from scratch, I'd go something like:
14 str
16 dex
14 con
16 int
8 wis
10 cha

With extra points from TR into CHA for more UMD goodness.

Also, 12 con is workable if you're willing to get all the HP gear available out there.

Edit: I say this again, unless you *want* to go a full ****** build, don't bother with taking STR over 14 base. The 1-2 extra damage you can squeeze out of your base stats will be not even be noticable, when you're hitting things for an average of what, 150 damage per hit just from your weapon+sneak attack.

[Norean]

Thank you for telling me about needing 56. Right now with skill boost on my skill is 57. Lowering int by 2 would put it at 56 which is right on target. If I can finally get the stuff to make the carnival rogue armor epic my +15 dd gloves will be replaced by +20 dd armor so I won't have to worry at all.

Regarding the assassinate skill, 2 days ago I ran weapons shipment in amrath on elite with my guild. I was up in the cave on the right in sneak mode and I would try to assassinate every mob that spawned. It worked on 90%+ of the dogs, 100% of the tiefling casters, 90%+ of the archers, and about 50% of the tiefling fighters. Lowering my assassinate dc by 1 point would reduce that success rate probably. Still weapons shipment is something like a level 21 quest on elite so I wouldn't be running into mobs with fortitude saves that high usually.

Thank you guys for the help. It seems that wooden hearts are on sale right now. Hopefully I'll be much better off after the LR. I'm just glad I decided to make the +45 hp greensteel bracers instead of the greensteel rapier the other day. Well they're just +25 hp now. Just 1 more upgrade to go.

[Norean]

Oh, thank you Truga. I started that reply before you replied.

[Truga]

Lowering my assassinate dc by 1 point would reduce that success rate probably. Still weapons shipment is something like a level 21 quest on elite so I wouldn't be running into mobs with fortitude saves that high usually.

Elite Shavarath quests often have higher saves than epics. Hell, even normal sometimes feel like that, simply due to the fact that everything there gets automatic GH, which is +4 to saves. So, if you're satisfied with your assassinate success rate there, you'll probably do well in epics too.

[Norean]

Truga, I sent you a mail. Did you receive it ok?

[Norean]

I think right now my assassinate dc is 37. It seems to be working fine. If I change my stats to the ones you suggested then the dc would be 38. I like the sound of that. Plus 1 more skill to up. Maybe bluff.

Edit: Wait it is 38 already. Ok, 39 then.

[MeatSheild]

dont forget that with U11 there will be a wepon that will up you sin DC by 2 (unless they changed that).