Stop leaving raid loot in the chest.

[Thoradin]

I agree with you completely.

It may be true that it's your raid loot and you are free to do with it as you please, however it's better not to be wasteful. There are a lot of inconsiderate and selfish folks out there that simply don't have a clue.

During an eDQ I was recently in, I put up the Cloak of the Zephyr up for roll. The winner took it, and turned around to sold it to someone. Due to practices like this, when it comes to PUG's, I've come to accept that anything goes and to not to be part of the problem.

^^ as usual i agree with boom. I don't think much of people that do this sort of thing but I have also learned to have absolutely no expectations of PUG raids. This is why I have started hosting my own/guild runs. Best i can say is /squelch add <name> if its that big of an issue to.. then go on with your day.

[rest]

Ya, it's your loot, but simply leaving it in there is bad form. Guess I'm old school, but it's a standard on Sarlona. Maybe not on your servers, but I particularly like the standard.

This is my server. I was in an eDeeps the other night and one of the guys left a shard in there. Was it an amazing shard? No. But useful to someone else I'm sure. Did it bother me? No because it was his shard to do with what he wanted.

[flaggson]

It's their loot: yes

They can do what they want with it: yes

It's still very very bad form: definitly

[Bracosius]

I agree that is the individuals loot to do with what they please. If I leave raid loot in a chest it is either unitentional or I don't like the people I got stuck grouping with and am just being a jerk, which could happen.

I would be a little disappointed if someone left seals, shards, or raid loot in a chest, but I would also get over it in a few seconds. They could just as easily looted it and sold it or destroyed it without me knowing.

[Cauthey]

It is this particular party member's choice to affrond all of the others in the raid by leaving raid loot in the chest.

It is also the choice of all others in the raid to decide to not group with that particular party member (if that is their choice).

The actions that one takes in raids and with loot behavior will follow them. I imagine that what you witnessed is a rare behavior. Mainly because most in the community want to help their common peer adventurers, and do not wish to reduce their chances of grouping.

[Ilindith]

Would love to see the face of everyone saying "their loot, they can leave it there if they want" when they'll get into a group where something they REALLY need gets left in a chest. Wonder if they'll think the same way after that

[mudfud]

If I don't need a piece of raidloot, I don't ask if others want it. I don't wait to see if anyone says they need it. I simply pass it to a random person in the group and leave. Let that next person decide what's done. Some decisions are just too hard.

[NytCrawlr]

Would love to see the face of everyone saying "their loot, they can leave it there if they want" when they'll get into a group where something they REALLY need gets left in a chest. Wonder if they'll think the same way after that

Has happened to me, a few times.

I don't get upset over it.

[mournbladereigns]

"Don't hate the game. Hate the playah!"

The solution to loot dramaz

[Dexxaan]

If I don't need a piece of raidloot, I don't ask if others want it. I don't wait to see if anyone says they need it. I simply pass it to a random person in the group and leave. Let that next person decide what's done. Some decisions are just too hard.

Nice Mud.

Make sure I´m the person that makes such decisions for ya next EV6 (when the friggin Boots drop).


Regarding this practice of leaving Raid Loot:

Junk loot is something that is random and people didn´t join you to gather vendor loot.... (if they did....well that´s their problem and theres plenty of McDonalds´ Dumpsters they can scrounge a meal out of.)


* If it´s actually named Raid loot I find it in very poor taste to leave it in the chest EVEN IF it´s "Your loot". -

Why? - Imagine 12 starving kids in a post-apocalyptic world wandering into an abandoned Supermarket, only one of em finds a can of Spaghettios (and a can opener for Civility sake) - Yet he doesn´t find it yummy enough and leaves it there.... (and NO, the other 11 can´t come get it later....)

Is that cool? - It was his loot right? - Should the other 11 guys just shrug and take it like "thats cool... I´d do the same"??

I didn´t think so either.


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[Lleren]

If I don't need a piece of raidloot, I don't ask if others want it. I don't wait to see if anyone says they need it. I simply pass it to a random person in the group and leave. Let that next person decide what's done. Some decisions are just too hard.

I'd like to mention that some, maybe most, folks don't recheck thier loot after they have looted, so they may not even notice recieving passed loot before they finish out. Thus creating a raid loot left in chest moment, and possibly getting them in trouble.

[rest]

Would love to see the face of everyone saying "their loot, they can leave it there if they want" when they'll get into a group where something they REALLY need gets left in a chest. Wonder if they'll think the same way after that

Yep, I sure do. Thanks for asking

[Alabore]

Loot left in the chest are for the loot gods.

Unclaimed loot is whispered to mysteriously reappear in Ataraxia haven pawn shop.
Such is the might of loot gods.

[rjbutchko]

Never had a problem with someone not passing raid loot they don't want/need but I understand how that could be frustrating. What would be worse, though: Leaving an SoS in the chest or letting a sorc roll on it (and passing it to them when they win?)

Its your loot, do with it as you wish.
If someone offends you with the way they play, don't group with them again. Or you can deny them loot they're farming

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

how is it rude and bad ettiquette?

Etiquette: is a code of behavior that delineates expectations for social behavior according to contemporary conventional norms within a society, social class, or group

expect nothing in a pug. my loot is my loot right? burn it, break it, sell it, whatever.still mine

The conventional norm, at least for people who like to run raids with others (PUG or not), is to pass loot if you don't want or need it. So yes, I'd call it a breach of etiquette.

Here's a good story: When I was about 5 or 6, my older cousin decided to get rid of his star wars figures. Rather than just pass them to me, he blew them up with firecrackers in a big cardboard box. His toys are his toys, right? Sure. But do you think I ever let him play with my toys or borrow anything?

Hell no.

[ainmosni]

Never had a problem with someone not passing raid loot they don't want/need but I understand how that could be frustrating. What would be worse, though: Leaving an SoS in the chest or letting a sorc roll on it (and passing it to them when they win?)

Its your loot, do with it as you wish.
If someone offends you with the way they play, don't group with them again. Or you can deny them loot they're farming

why wouldnt a sorc want an SOS? o.O

and yeah, i was in a dq the other day where a Torc dropped for this adventurer rogue 14/wizard 6. it was her first demon queen ever, first time she'd seen or heard of the torc. after it was explained what it does and why it would be beneficial to caster races, and probably a few tells asking about buying it/putting it for roll, she decided... to loot it. much to the dismay of the wizards, fvs, and bard in the party.

did i get mad? nope, i was on my barb, why would i need a torc. would i have gotten mad had she looted it while i was on a toon that needed it?





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nah, her loot. who am i to tell her what to do with her belongings?

[rocky0]

People need to stop worrying about what others do and concern themselves with their own play. There are no rules that state people have to put up an item for roll or they can/cannot give it to a guildie. Sure things would be much nicer if everyone followed the same rules but they dont.

Not tyring to be a jerk and not directing this at the OP but threads like this do nothing but cause arguments and potential locks and or those things which we cannot name. People have the right to play anyway they want and everyone else has to aceept this. Until rules are officially put into place, just move on and let it be

[Rdonaccount]

Personally, i find "my loot, i can do with it what i want" to be a childish response to a broken loot system. But that is a long story for another day. Or maybe later today in this same thread if I'm still bored.

What I wanted to point out here is that leaving loot to rot brings up a unique aspect of property rights. Namely, that the right to destroy is not inherent in ownership of property. For example, just because Bill Gates could afford to buy a famous painting like the mona lisa to use as firewood doesn't mean society at large should just shrug their shoulders and allow it to happen. It's why we have rules protecting historical landmarks, etc.

A lesser form of protection in game thru peer pressure seems to me to be perfectly acceptable in this case. Sure, a wolf whistle might seem like junk to most people, but someone still might have wanted it as the base for the epic item, which is decent. There is no reason to let it rot. Personally, I do the same as mudfud with junk loot in raids, pass it quickly to whoever and recall out. (Of course, this does bring up the problem that said person might have already recalled out too, but this is a rare occurance).

[redspecter23]

Leaving the loot to rot sends a message to the party. The owner is saying that they have 0 interest in the item. It's not even worth the plat to pick it up and sell it. They want everyone else in the group to know that they could have passed it, looted it, whatever, but chose to leave it there to send a message. They have every right to do this and I have every right to add them to my "list" for doing so. I wouldn't get upset about it, but it doesn't make me want to bring them along on another raid in the future either.

[ainmosni]

Personally, i find "my loot, i can do with it what i want" to be a childish response to a broken loot system. But that is a long story for another day. Or maybe later today in this same thread if I'm still bored.

What I wanted to point out here is that leaving loot to rot brings up a unique aspect of property rights. Namely, that the right to destroy is not inherent in ownership of property. For example, just because Bill Gates could afford to buy a famous painting like the mona lisa to use as firewood doesn't mean society at large should just shrug their shoulders and allow it to happen. It's why we have rules protecting historical landmarks, etc.

A lesser form of protection in game thru peer pressure seems to me to be perfectly acceptable in this case. Sure, a wolf whistle might seem like junk to most people, but someone still might have wanted it as the base for the epic item, which is decent. There is no reason to let it rot. Personally, I do the same as mudfud with junk loot in raids, pass it quickly to whoever and recall out. (Of course, this does bring up the problem that said person might have already recalled out too, but this is a rare occurance).

No one is entitled to my loot. a chattering ring is not the mona lisa, but if i decide i needed the plat and openly admitted to looting just to sell to a vendor, sure you could get mad at me... hell, ID get mad at me.... but what can you do? thems the rules of the game.

you want a chattering ring, run more titans. dont depend on someone else to give you their loot that you feel like you deserve.