Artificer and Veteran Status

[wolflordnexus]

To all the people that have said 'I payed real money for the veteran status', you are incorrect. To the letter of the law you purchased Turbine Points, which they gave you fairly.

I've addressed this already they are certainly within their legal rights it wouldn't matter if we paid cash or TP The game will always be their property and open to change at their whims. I don't care about the letter of the law I paid money for VIP a court can see it however they want My wallet will see it as a breach of contract and react accordingly.

The veteran status is an in game perk that is purchased with in game currency. There is no legal ramifications against changing what that perk entails. That would be like demanding compensation for changing something purchased with plat/gold/etc.

Call it whatever you want they took my money and are now refusing to give me what I paid for.

Where the issue comes in is that people have the misconception that a TP cost equates to real money cost, because they can quantify the TP purchase in real money terms. Just because you can quantify something doesnt mean there is bi-directional equality.

There is no misconception TP cost do equate to real money cost if I paid real money for it. If I buy 50.00 in gift certificates to Mcdonalds and go order a hamburger I expect a hamburger If they tell me Hamburgers can't be bought with gift certificates this week I won't be buying anymore gift certificates.

If they sold the ability directly for a cash, then we could possibly entertain debate on whether the are 'in good faith' or 'getting what I paid for'. As it is, except it or not, but act like adults and understand that life changes and not all those changes are going to be beneficial to you. Nothing wrong with stating something is shafting you, but demanding compensation is getting to close too 'waah waah I'm entitled'

Well here you go this is shafting me and Waah waah I am entitled. When I pay for a service I am in fact entitled to that service. As has been stated before I don't actually care about not being able to start at level 4 it's the fact that they consciously decided to Screw people out of their money not once but twice this update. Without enough backlash it will most certainly happen again.

[Entarus]

How about a thorough dev response to this issue? A little bit of clarification could satisfy me and others. Tell us the real reason for this rather than leaving us to speculate and assume the worst. We have been told this is only temporary and we will get to use LRs and vet status soon. What is soon? If we are going by Blizzard's definition of "soon", we may be waiting for years. Hopefully it is more like a few days.

Just tell us the real reason and the time frame of when these services will be restored for artificer. If they are reasonable, all this anger will go away.

[patang01]

How about a thorough dev response to this issue? A little bit of clarification could satisfy me and others. Tell us the real reason for this rather than leaving us to speculate and assume the worst. We have been told this is only temporary and we will get to use LRs and vet status soon. What is soon? If we are going by Blizzard's definition of "soon", we may be waiting for years. Hopefully it is more like a few days.

Just tell us the real reason and the time frame of when these services will be restored for artificer. If they are reasonable, than all this anger will go away.

It's kind of like with the fabricators gloves; they finally came out and said it won't be in U11 because of bugs (along with other items) and that is after they said a week or so ago that it should be on one of the rare encounters.

Just tell us in advance why and most of us will accept. If it's a coding issue; okay - but arbitrary reasoning that we should have to go through the most boring quests in DDO from scratch simply because 'we should' isn't really good enough.

I've played - up and down. It's one of the reasons why I really don't like Korthos or starting a new toon. At least with a TR I can skip em and move onto the harbor quests.

Redo them with the cruddy items you get in the beginning is like pulling teeth and a waste of whatever little playtime I have.

[patang01]

Ironic

I load into DDO and a screen comes up saying it's 20% veteran status - get a head start on a new character; unless it's artificer that is.

[smeggy1384]

Ironic

I load into DDO and a screen comes up saying it's 20% veteran status - get a head start on a new character; unless it's artificer that is.

Ya just saw that one today, up till that point the no vet status for arties hadn't bugged me. I bought my vet status, am having fun leveling them on lamma.. but that's not right to put that on sale and not note that it will not work on arties.

[Starchild09]

OK...so let's put this in perspective with Turbine's other f-ups in the game:

1 - No familiars for Wizards or Sorcerers

2 - No animal companions for Rangers

3 - No mounts for any class (including the special mount for Paladins)

4 - No domain spells for Clerics

5 - No shapeshifting spells

6 - No REAL wings for Favored Souls which IS a CLASS ability

7 - No Darkness/Fairie Fire spell-like abilities for Drow

8 - STILL no Druids, a CORE PHB class

9 - STILL no Gnomes, a CORE PHB race

And it has taken us this long to get Monks, Half-Elves and Half Orcs which were CORE PHB options.

All this kept in mind, expecting Turbine to do something RIGHT initially at release date is like expecting Marvel or DC comics to quit bringing characters back from the dead! That's right Turbine, you have OFFICIALLY been labelled a CLICHE'!!!

[Entelech]

Ironic

I load into DDO and a screen comes up saying it's 20% veteran status - get a head start on a new character; unless it's artificer that is.

Yeah, there's nothing sleazy about that at all. Nope, Turbine should be totally mystified when the player base expresses distrust and contempt for the Marketing team.

Seriously though, "bait and switch" and "the short con" are not marketing models for a company that hopes to still be in business in two years. Especially not one owned by a company with pockets as deep as Warner Brothers...

[rodrigocaruso]

Artificers will be required to be played from level 1 when Update 11 is released to the live servers, just as they work on Lamannia right now. As to when this will change, the best answer I can give right now is that they will be available to use Veteran Status, Lesser, and Greater + Hearts of Wood on at a later date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwF7n8WyOoU

[rodrigocaruso]

OK...so let's put this in perspective with Turbine's other f-ups in the game:

1 - No familiars for Wizards or Sorcerers

2 - No animal companions for Rangers

3 - No mounts for any class (including the special mount for Paladins)

4 - No domain spells for Clerics

5 - No shapeshifting spells

6 - No REAL wings for Favored Souls which IS a CLASS ability

7 - No Darkness/Fairie Fire spell-like abilities for Drow

8 - STILL no Druids, a CORE PHB class

9 - STILL no Gnomes, a CORE PHB race

And it has taken us this long to get Monks, Half-Elves and Half Orcs which were CORE PHB options.

All this kept in mind, expecting Turbine to do something RIGHT initially at release date is like expecting Marvel or DC comics to quit bringing characters back from the dead! That's right Turbine, you have OFFICIALLY been labelled a CLICHE'!!!

Had to ignore bcs this is Wizard's definition. Vet Status is TURBINE's definition. They develop, they screw. They had alternative to NOT develop, but they did...

But are very nice sugestions! Not having Druids was weird first time I've saw.

[kamizz]

Anyone ever notice that no matter what a company does in a game..people ***** about it?

Every game I go to..every change they make..whine whine whine. If they added vet status to Artificers, people would whine about Vets getting to start higher level than normal players.

I'd wager to say the majority of the reason developers fall out and stop making games is because of the level of disgusting behavior and comments they get. Makes you wonder why they bother at all...world is full of ungrateful, whiny, morons.

[gloopygloop]

Anyone ever notice that no matter what a company does in a game..people ***** about it?

Every game I go to..every change they make..whine whine whine. If they added vet status to Artificers, people would whine about Vets getting to start higher level than normal players.

I'd wager to say the majority of the reason developers fall out and stop making games is because of the level of disgusting behavior and comments they get. Makes you wonder why they bother at all...world is full of ungrateful, whiny, morons.

This is not an accurate assessment of the DDO forums. There is lots and lots of complaining, but that complaining generally happens when Turbine does things that reasonable people don't like.
Like disabling parts of features that people bought access to or
adding annoying features to the game in the name of "lag" or
claiming that the latest series of nerfs to TWF were created to reduce lag or
sending players' personal information to spammers or
banning players for exploiting in seasonal events when those players are deployed overseas and hadn't even logged in during that easonal event or
deleting Hall of Fame threads because the off-hours mods don't understand them and think that posters are calling out that noob player Arretreikos or
breaking handwraps in new and interesting ways each time they try to fix handwraps or
advertising that VIP players have access to all classes for free through immediate access or through favor even after Artificer is released without even putting a footnote that says, "*yeah, except for Artificer".

People absolutely do complain about things that don't need complaining and Turbine does do a lot of really outstanding things that they deserve credit for. And they do receive credit for those things. But they also do a lot of really boneheaded things that are worthy of complaints. And then when they do most of those boneheaded things, they tend to be really bad at communicating with us about them.

Is there too much complaining on the forums? Probably.
...but I'd be a lot more worried if people stopped complaining because that would mean that the players on the forums stopped caring about the game they love.

[smeggy1384]

Is there too much complaining on the forums? Probably.
...but I'd be a lot more worried if people stopped complaining because that would mean that the players on the forums stopped caring about the game they love.

Very true there.. complaints are a form of feedback. They have some polls, but its not like it covers all issues players run across, and they are usually short and missing the open ended feedback box. When people quit trying to get things fixed then its time to worry.