Artificer and Veteran Status

[Sleepsalot]

LoL believe what you want the track record here is very poor.

Information is lacking from the devs.
Seems maybe they have no more Clue then the rest of us on this

As you failed to address the 1,000% XP and them giving out XP to level toons to 20

And since no Dev has answered most questions Asked of them..

You must have better connections to Devs then any one else..

Sleeps

The boat trainer is just a select able trainer, choose your dialogue and they become the trainer for whatever class you chose, the underlying trainer code would be the same.

Again Lama is not live. The goal is to avoid the first artificer to hit 20 be a veteran to jump past the first 4 levels. Turbine has stated it is temporary until the class gets played out a bit. And they want the first lvl 20 artificer to be levelled from scratch.

Unlike the whole V.I.P/artificer debacle the devs have been making this clear for quite a while, ever since artificer was released to lama in fact. They also made it clear it is not permanent, and that artificers will be part of vet char creation in the future.

[Thrudh]

NEG rep is GOOD shows some idiot with a long green bar Doesn't LIKE THE TRUTH

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[Drakos]

The boat trainer is just a select able trainer, choose your dialogue and they become the trainer for whatever class you chose, the underlying trainer code would be the same.

Again Lama is not live. The goal is to avoid the first artificer to hit 20 be a veteran to jump past the first 4 levels. Turbine has stated it is temporary until the class gets played out a bit. And they want the first lvl 20 artificer to be levelled from scratch.

Unlike the whole V.I.P/artificer debacle the devs have been making this clear for quite a while, ever since artificer was released to lama in fact. They also made it clear it is not permanent, and that artificers will be part of vet char creation in the future.

When they sold me the ability to start a character level 4 they didn't say sometimes part of the time are any of that, they instead sold me the ability to start any character at level 4.

[ArkoHighStar]

When they sold me the ability to start a character level 4 they didn't say sometimes part of the time are any of that, they instead sold me the ability to start any character at level 4.

You bought veteran status? its a 1000 favor even a f2p can get that much

[Sleepsalot]

Yes some of us do Spend TP for stuff.. Just because you don't.. Fact is no matter how you like it or put it.. Offer a Service then take it back away. Not real good for Business.. Favor for 1 server out of the now 8 so would be 8,000 favor total Hmm.. You tell me...

Sleeps

You bought veteran status? its a 1000 favor even a f2p can get that much

[Sleepsalot]

LoL and did I ask you any thing It seems to work as you commented on it... TRUTH??

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[Drakos]

You bought veteran status? its a 1000 favor even a f2p can get that much

Yes I bought vet status and your point? I bought it because I wanted it available on all servers I didn't wanna have to grind out of 1000 favor just to be able to start the character level 4 on each server.

[Mjesko]

Again Lama is not live. The goal is to avoid the first artificer to hit 20 be a veteran to jump past the first 4 levels. Turbine has stated it is temporary until the class gets played out a bit. And they want the first lvl 20 artificer to be levelled from scratch.

I think that is a strange reason, because, as you mentioned in another post, it takes not much time to reach level 4 and there is not much difference between playing an Artificer from level 1 to 20 or from level 4 to 20, but i do not like the Korthos quests and starting in Stormreach at level 1 is a bad option.

[Caseas]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

I kinda wish they did the same for the raids actually.

The old first normal/hard/elite/epic progression was fun.. And it's been 2 years since the last real high lvl raid (ToD) which predated the free elite/epic unlock.. So locking down the raids, at least for the first couple weeks woulda been nice.

Else it's just gona be only "first epic" and well the rest are arbitrary distinctions at best.

Guess the upcoming challenge system will help with these ideals hopefully, and give us more concrete things to compete over for fun.

Gotta go with Shade on this one -- race to the top!

[patang01]

You bought veteran status? its a 1000 favor even a f2p can get that much

I did, back in the day.

[ArkoHighStar]

I think that is a strange reason, because, as you mentioned in another post, it takes not much time to reach level 4 and there is not much difference between playing an Artificer from level 1 to 20 or from level 4 to 20, but i do not like the Korthos quests and starting in Stormreach at level 1 is a bad option.

Listen I know not everyone is happy about it, but Turbine has at least been consistent here. They said it early and they said it would be temporary.

Leveling one first life character through the first 4 levels is not hard even for a newbie. I know not everyone wants to do it and many have paid for the privilege of not having to do it.That being said what can Turbine do to ensure we don't have this kind of issue in the future where expectations do not meet intent.
They should update the descriptions of veteran to reflect their intent for new classes to not have LR and vet for a set period of time post release.Because at this point Turbine should make it a policy that any new classes will have the same limitations on them, and that purchasers of LR and Vet status should have that explained when they are deciding upon their purchases

So here is what I would ask Turbine.

How long do we expect this to be turned off, days weeks months, give us an idea.Let people understand how long they will have to wait, in other words you have done well in communicating your intent, now set the long term expectation for resolution.

[ArkoHighStar]

Yes some of us do Spend TP for stuff.. Just because you don't.. Fact is no matter how you like it or put it.. Offer a Service then take it back away. Not real good for Business.. Favor for 1 server out of the now 8 so would be 8,000 favor total Hmm.. You tell me...

Sleeps

I do spend TP on stuff just different stuff.

But I will say this Turbine has given us their intent to have vet not available at go live for Artificer. They have also stated it would be temporary, thus they did not take away your service they have simply delayed delivery to a later date.Now read my post above. Turbine now has the obligation to formalize this and give players an estimate of how long they anticipate keeping it off. If they fail to set that next level of expectation then yes they deserve some of the ire from players.

[Bodic]

Vet Status is equal 1 hour of game play to the competant player no matter what class they play.

The simple reason is Lamannia is a gold disc TEST server. They want to insure that it performs properly and identify any bugs with the low end content as well as the high end. NOT EVERYONE starts this game or a toon at level 4.

So end all gripping over the loss of 1 whole Hour of your time is funny, now prior to launch it will be vet status/ heart use able as they will also want that tested on Lamannia I am sure.

and too note even with x1000% Xp you still need to use standard level progression it just makes it faster.

[Drakos]

I do spend TP on stuff just different stuff.

But I will say this Turbine has given us their intent to have vet not available at go live for Artificer. They have also stated it would be temporary, thus they did not take away your service they have simply delayed delivery to a later date.Now read my post above. Turbine now has the obligation to formalize this and give players an estimate of how long they anticipate keeping it off. If they fail to set that next level of expectation then yes they deserve some of the ire from players.

Insufficient! The obligation that Turbin has is to provide the service we bought in the manner and under the conditions we bought it. When I paid for this service there were NO exclusiond and there is no reason they cannot provide the level of serivce I paid for. It amazes me how many people are willing to sit back and allow a company to treat them this way.

[ArkoHighStar]

Insufficient! The obligation that Turbin has is to provide the service we bought in the manner and under the conditions we bought it. When I paid for this service there were NO exclusiond and there is no reason they cannot provide the level of serivce I paid for. It amazes me how many people are willing to sit back and allow a company to treat them this way.

Sorry that is not how it works and Turbine spells it out several different ways in your EULA agreement. they even capitalize it for your enjoyment.

It basically says yes you have the right to be angry, but other than cancelling you have no other recourse.

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[Letrii]

Sounding more and more like U11 is gonna be one giant cluster you-know-what.

[patang01]

Listen I know not everyone is happy about it, but Turbine has at least been consistent here. They said it early and they said it would be temporary.

Leveling one first life character through the first 4 levels is not hard even for a newbie. I know not everyone wants to do it and many have paid for the privilege of not having to do it.That being said what can Turbine do to ensure we don't have this kind of issue in the future where expectations do not meet intent.
They should update the descriptions of veteran to reflect their intent for new classes to not have LR and vet for a set period of time post release.Because at this point Turbine should make it a policy that any new classes will have the same limitations on them, and that purchasers of LR and Vet status should have that explained when they are deciding upon their purchases

So here is what I would ask Turbine.

How long do we expect this to be turned off, days weeks months, give us an idea.Let people understand how long they will have to wait, in other words you have done well in communicating your intent, now set the long term expectation for resolution.

How about no such policy?

There's a reason why we unlocked or bought the feature. This is completely arbitrary and serves no purpose if people here think they can knock those levels out in a couple of hours.

Some of us don't like to redo those quests and quite frankly might not have all the time in the world to run the game like others. If mister happen to run around with a capped Artificer a couple of hours or a day early than shade, so what?

Why promote and sell the feature if new content forces you not to be able to use it - the one reason you actually have to use it?

[patang01]

Sorry that is not how it works and Turbine spells it out several different ways in your EULA agreement. they even capitalize it for your enjoyment.

It basically says yes you have the right to be angry, but other than cancelling you have no other recourse.

Great - that's a really good reason to do it. Because they can.

Smart move on their behalf.

[Mjesko]

Listen I know not everyone is happy about it, but Turbine has at least been consistent here. They said it early and they said it would be temporary.

How long do we expect this to be turned off, days weeks months, give us an idea.Let people understand how long they will have to wait, in other words you have done well in communicating your intent, now set the long term expectation for resolution.

As far as i know only the Lamannia release notes mention that it is not possible to use the Veteran Status, but i thought that these release notes would change and that the limit was only for the first test of the class, but the release notes did not change and that was the reason why i started this thread.

I do not think that Turbine will communicate the duration, because without a duration more players could be encouraged to buy the class, but at least for me that means i wait until it is possible to use the Veteran Status.

[ArkoHighStar]

Great - that's a really good reason to do it. Because they can.

Smart move on their behalf.

The answer was strictly in response to his statement that Turbine should be required to not do it because they are obligated to. They are under no such obligation.

It has nothing to do with how smart the decision is. And you are right your choice is simple accept it and move on or cancel.

When I got angry about the elite unlock thing I was under no illusion that Turbine would change it because I cried foul. I simply took stock of my position and realized Turbine just killed the one reason I stayed V.I.P and acted accordingly, which was to start my migration over to premium based on my analysis that V.I.P. long term no longer suited my needs.