Artificer and Veteran Status

[Mjesko]

Currently it is not possible to use the Veteran Status to start as a level 4 Artificer, but i hope this will be possible when update 11 is released, because many players should already know how the class works.

[Danmor]

Did you read the release notes? It's not intended.

Here is what they say:

NOTE: For a limited time, all Artificers will need to start at level 1, and play through all levels of the class. Players can True Reincarnate into an Artificer if they have the Artificer class unlocked, but players cannot swap non-Artificer levels for Artificer levels using Lesser or Greater Reincarnations, and cannot take Artificer levels from the Veteran Status boat.

[Shade]

They want everyone to enjoy the full progression of the class and not skip the first 4 (ore more levels in the case of a reincarnation) of the class.

And as such, no it will not be possible to take artificer levels abord the veteran ship, nor reincarnation ships.

There is a trick however to get 1 level out of it:

Take the first lvl of xp normally, then /death. Youll be in the market with the xp and can go lvl up. But doing this will cause you to miss out on the grotto, and its rewards so may not be worth it.

And yea it will go live as is. Feature wise U11 is finalized.

They may add some block in to prevent you from screwing up and taking that XP tho, as I can see a lot of GMs wasting time on that if they keep it as is.

They will probably fully unlock the class and allow vet status/reincarnations for it in U12.

[ArkoHighStar]

WAI, not everyone has had the chance to play an artficer, and really Lama is still a test system(preview whatever). This is the first class to be introduced post introduction of the veteran system so the exclusion makes some sense. That being said how long does it take anyone to get to level 4 anymore, it's counted in hours for most.

[Starchild09]

Sorry...but the "This is the first class to be introduced since Veteran Status arrived" excuse is an EPIC fail! We got Favored Souls AND Veteran Status at the same time AND had Veteran Status from DAY ONE with them on Lamannia. This is just another way for Turbine to dangle a carrot that's missing pieces and claim to be giving us something, when in fact they are just giving the appearance of a new option that hasn't been fleshed out yet.

[Shade]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

I kinda wish they did the same for the raids actually.

The old first normal/hard/elite/epic progression was fun.. And it's been 2 years since the last real high lvl raid (ToD) which predated the free elite/epic unlock.. So locking down the raids, at least for the first couple weeks woulda been nice.

Else it's just gona be only "first epic" and well the rest are arbitrary distinctions at best.

Guess the upcoming challenge system will help with these ideals hopefully, and give us more concrete things to compete over for fun.

[Sleepsalot]

The claim they want every on to start Arties at level 1 the get the full exp feel is Bogus the Ship trainer needs a major rewrite to be able to train them.. Sad how their lack of Coding this allows them to make such statements.. If they just told the truth some would understand.. It is nonsense Many paid for Veteran Status on Live and we get this told to us.. Bad way to do things.. If they can't get the ship done then HOLD the Release of the Class. But we know that won't happen. And this is not a Bash Turbine post Just stating Facts they gave out.

Sleeps

[ArkoHighStar]

The claim they want every on to start Arties at level 1 the get the full exp feel is Bogus the Ship trainer needs a major rewrite to be able to train them.. Sad how their lack of Coding this allows them to make such statements.. If they just told the truth some would understand.. It is nonsense Many paid for Veteran Status on Live and we get this told to us.. Bad way to do things.. If they can't get the ship done then HOLD the Release of the Class. But we know that won't happen. And this is not a Bash Turbine post Just stating Facts they gave out.

Sleeps

she needs artificers added to her list of choices that is about it. The trainers exist so the dialog boxes exist as well.Given that this was indicated very early by the devs, I willl take them at their word.

[danotmano1998]

It's also possible they released things the way they did simply because they're not sure everything is WAI and they wanted to be positive that all the levels and feats are solid.

If you skipped levels 1-4, then there wouldn't be any testing of those.
Other than that? Who knows..

[Darkrok]

I've been pretty outspoken about them going back on a promise in the other thread, to the point that I'm cancelling my VIP because of that issue.

This one though, I understand why. They're not trying to take something away from anyone. They're creating a limited window of time where leveling up must be done from the beginning. I can understand the reasoning there and actually support it. Yeah, Vet status is great. But on a new class I can understand the reasoning for suspending it.

[Sleepsalot]

Well a single trainer needs not much work..
I see the boat trainer would need a bit more then they would but who really knows but turbine.
As for the Devs word I wonder some time if 1 hand knows what the other is doing or said..
And seeing as they handed out XP to level people to 20 the excuse they want the class to level with out veteran status is a load of Nonsense..
Also the +1,000% XP was done so again all nonsense..

Sleeps

she needs artificers added to her list of choices that is about it. The trainers exist so the dialog boxes exist as well.Given that this was indicated very early by the devs, I willl take them at their word.

[Chai]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

Hmmm, even with +5 hearts laying around - they have a one week limit per use on them, and I think we will see level 20 artificers running around before three weeks after release.

I do like the idea that we have to play through the class. It will give players an idea of what its true capabilities are rather than just ending up at level 20 and then learning how to play it.

[Drakos]

WAI, not everyone has had the chance to play an artficer, and really Lama is still a test system(preview whatever). This is the first class to be introduced post introduction of the veteran system so the exclusion makes some sense. That being said how long does it take anyone to get to level 4 anymore, it's counted in hours for most.

The time involved isn't really the point, when you actully shelled out cash to purchase this ability and then you find you can't use it you can't help but feel a little ripped off.

[Drakos]

It's also possible they released things the way they did simply because they're not sure everything is WAI and they wanted to be positive that all the levels and feats are solid.

If you skipped levels 1-4, then there wouldn't be any testing of those.
Other than that? Who knows..

A production environment is not for testing. If the class is not ready for release then it shouldn't be released.

[Darkrok]

A production environment is not for testing. If the class is not ready for release then it shouldn't be released.

Turbine's a small enough company that while the theory of 'A production environment is not for testing' is laudable it's simply not practical. This is, after all, the company that brought you the live server 'Cannith crafting beta'.

[patang01]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

I kinda wish they did the same for the raids actually.

The old first normal/hard/elite/epic progression was fun.. And it's been 2 years since the last real high lvl raid (ToD) which predated the free elite/epic unlock.. So locking down the raids, at least for the first couple weeks woulda been nice.

Else it's just gona be only "first epic" and well the rest are arbitrary distinctions at best.

Guess the upcoming challenge system will help with these ideals hopefully, and give us more concrete things to compete over for fun.

Nothing stops anyone from leveling up the regular way instead of using veteral status that some paid for (such as I did). Just sayin. Playing the first 4 levels might be quick but when you've done it a bazillion times it's not all it's cracked up to be.

[Mjesko]

Nothing stops anyone from leveling up the regular way instead of using veteral status that some paid for (such as I did). Just sayin. Playing the first 4 levels might be quick but when you've done it a bazillion times it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Exactly that is the reason why i think it should be possible to start as a level 4 Artificer. More options make more players happy.

[grausherra]

Now announcing Veteran Status(Artificer), now on the DDO store! Be able to create veteran artificers at level 4 before anyone else! Only 2495 TP, or bundle with the new artificer class for 4999 TP, a full 30% saving over the full retail price!

[Letrii]

Take the first lvl of xp normally, then /death. Youll be in the market with the xp and can go lvl up. But doing this will cause you to miss out on the grotto, and its rewards so may not be worth it.

That repeater is nice, but I bought a +1 heavy repeater for 400pp and will see about crafting something better.
I will be starting with a level of monk for the Disciple's Robe anyway.

[ArkoHighStar]

Well a single trainer needs not much work..
I see the boat trainer would need a bit more then they would but who really knows but turbine.
As for the Devs word I wonder some time if 1 hand knows what the other is doing or said..
And seeing as they handed out XP to level people to 20 the excuse they want the class to level with out veteran status is a load of Nonsense..
Also the +1,000% XP was done so again all nonsense..

Sleeps

The boat trainer is just a select able trainer, choose your dialogue and they become the trainer for whatever class you chose, the underlying trainer code would be the same.

Again Lama is not live. The goal is to avoid the first artificer to hit 20 be a veteran to jump past the first 4 levels. Turbine has stated it is temporary until the class gets played out a bit. And they want the first lvl 20 artificer to be levelled from scratch.

Unlike the whole V.I.P/artificer debacle the devs have been making this clear for quite a while, ever since artificer was released to lama in fact. They also made it clear it is not permanent, and that artificers will be part of vet char creation in the future.