Artificer and Veteran Status

[Mjesko]

Currently it is not possible to use the Veteran Status to start as a level 4 Artificer, but i hope this will be possible when update 11 is released, because many players should already know how the class works.

[Danmor]

Did you read the release notes? It's not intended.

Here is what they say:

NOTE: For a limited time, all Artificers will need to start at level 1, and play through all levels of the class. Players can True Reincarnate into an Artificer if they have the Artificer class unlocked, but players cannot swap non-Artificer levels for Artificer levels using Lesser or Greater Reincarnations, and cannot take Artificer levels from the Veteran Status boat.

[Shade]

They want everyone to enjoy the full progression of the class and not skip the first 4 (ore more levels in the case of a reincarnation) of the class.

And as such, no it will not be possible to take artificer levels abord the veteran ship, nor reincarnation ships.

There is a trick however to get 1 level out of it:

Take the first lvl of xp normally, then /death. Youll be in the market with the xp and can go lvl up. But doing this will cause you to miss out on the grotto, and its rewards so may not be worth it.

And yea it will go live as is. Feature wise U11 is finalized.

They may add some block in to prevent you from screwing up and taking that XP tho, as I can see a lot of GMs wasting time on that if they keep it as is.

They will probably fully unlock the class and allow vet status/reincarnations for it in U12.

[Letrii]

Take the first lvl of xp normally, then /death. Youll be in the market with the xp and can go lvl up. But doing this will cause you to miss out on the grotto, and its rewards so may not be worth it.

That repeater is nice, but I bought a +1 heavy repeater for 400pp and will see about crafting something better.
I will be starting with a level of monk for the Disciple's Robe anyway.

[ArkoHighStar]

WAI, not everyone has had the chance to play an artficer, and really Lama is still a test system(preview whatever). This is the first class to be introduced post introduction of the veteran system so the exclusion makes some sense. That being said how long does it take anyone to get to level 4 anymore, it's counted in hours for most.

[Drakos]

WAI, not everyone has had the chance to play an artficer, and really Lama is still a test system(preview whatever). This is the first class to be introduced post introduction of the veteran system so the exclusion makes some sense. That being said how long does it take anyone to get to level 4 anymore, it's counted in hours for most.

The time involved isn't really the point, when you actully shelled out cash to purchase this ability and then you find you can't use it you can't help but feel a little ripped off.

[Starchild09]

Sorry...but the "This is the first class to be introduced since Veteran Status arrived" excuse is an EPIC fail! We got Favored Souls AND Veteran Status at the same time AND had Veteran Status from DAY ONE with them on Lamannia. This is just another way for Turbine to dangle a carrot that's missing pieces and claim to be giving us something, when in fact they are just giving the appearance of a new option that hasn't been fleshed out yet.

[Shade]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

I kinda wish they did the same for the raids actually.

The old first normal/hard/elite/epic progression was fun.. And it's been 2 years since the last real high lvl raid (ToD) which predated the free elite/epic unlock.. So locking down the raids, at least for the first couple weeks woulda been nice.

Else it's just gona be only "first epic" and well the rest are arbitrary distinctions at best.

Guess the upcoming challenge system will help with these ideals hopefully, and give us more concrete things to compete over for fun.

[Chai]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

Hmmm, even with +5 hearts laying around - they have a one week limit per use on them, and I think we will see level 20 artificers running around before three weeks after release.

I do like the idea that we have to play through the class. It will give players an idea of what its true capabilities are rather than just ending up at level 20 and then learning how to play it.

[ryingar]

I am ok with having to take lvl 1, if we didnt have to this is what would happen:

Easy to have almost everything banked and ready. have 11 lvls of ftr, 6 lvls of barb, and two levels banked. Now prep your slayers to within a hand full of completion(orchard , vale , reach, GH, more if you want) save a few quick exp farm quests, running with the devils, sane, mining, and a few others to round out the needed exp.

Take those two levels as soon as atrie comes out then use a +5 heart....this leaves you with 7 artie, 6 ftr, 6 barb...with those slayers and quick farms to finish that last 500+k exp and bam you are done.

[gloopygloop]

I am ok with having to take lvl 1, if we didnt have to this is what would happen:

Easy to have almost everything banked and ready. have 11 lvls of ftr, 6 lvls of barb, and two levels banked. Now prep your slayers to within a hand full of completion(orchard , vale , reach, GH, more if you want) save a few quick exp farm quests, running with the devils, sane, mining, and a few others to round out the needed exp.

Take those two levels as soon as atrie comes out then use a +5 heart....this leaves you with 7 artie, 6 ftr, 6 barb...with those slayers and quick farms to finish that last 500+k exp and bam you are done.

I fail to see why that would be a major problem for the game.

"Oh noes! People who don't want to play Artificer will end up with an Artificer past life and not have to spend a long time playing that Artificer! DOOM!"

[masterzzan]

i think im missing something here. in lemania artificers cost 1 tp in ddo shop .
i never seen anything saying VIP would need to pay for them when they come live.( in fact i seem to recall seeing the adds for artificers and house C saying free for vip.)
where did they mention it would be a class that even VIP have to buy (like fVS) ?. link if u got it.

[Uska]

i think im missing something here. in lemania artificers cost 1 tp in ddo shop .
i never seen anything saying VIP would need to pay for them when they come live.( in fact i seem to recall seeing the adds for artificers and house C saying free for vip.)
where did they mention it would be a class that even VIP have to buy (like fVS) ?. link if u got it.

dont have a link but I think its somewhere in this thread but a dev said yes VIP's will have to buy it with TP's or wait for mod 12 to be able to earn the canith favor to get them for free and there was never an add saying artificers were free to VIP's we just assumed they would be but yeah VIP's will get house C for free unless they decide to change the rules yet again Turbine the darth vader of mmo's

[Myrddinman]

C'mon folks...it's 4 levels.

I sometimes like going back and reliving old glory days in Korthos. And it's not like you can't twink

[Drakos]

C'mon folks...it's 4 levels.

I sometimes like going back and reliving old glory days in Korthos. And it's not like you can't twink

It's four levels I paid for the right not to have to do. Also, it has been said befor, its as much about principal and getting what you bought as it is about the four levels.

[patang01]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

I kinda wish they did the same for the raids actually.

The old first normal/hard/elite/epic progression was fun.. And it's been 2 years since the last real high lvl raid (ToD) which predated the free elite/epic unlock.. So locking down the raids, at least for the first couple weeks woulda been nice.

Else it's just gona be only "first epic" and well the rest are arbitrary distinctions at best.

Guess the upcoming challenge system will help with these ideals hopefully, and give us more concrete things to compete over for fun.

Nothing stops anyone from leveling up the regular way instead of using veteral status that some paid for (such as I did). Just sayin. Playing the first 4 levels might be quick but when you've done it a bazillion times it's not all it's cracked up to be.

[Mjesko]

Nothing stops anyone from leveling up the regular way instead of using veteral status that some paid for (such as I did). Just sayin. Playing the first 4 levels might be quick but when you've done it a bazillion times it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Exactly that is the reason why i think it should be possible to start as a level 4 Artificer. More options make more players happy.

[Caseas]

I like it actually. Never was a fan of the veteran stuff. And for this is makes a lot of sense...

The old - first X to 20 is still a fun goal and holds some prestige this way.

Else if the allowed whatever, the first guy would just be the guy who had a bunch of hearts of woods/XP stored up to get lvls quickyl, and that isn't quite as fun..

I kinda wish they did the same for the raids actually.

The old first normal/hard/elite/epic progression was fun.. And it's been 2 years since the last real high lvl raid (ToD) which predated the free elite/epic unlock.. So locking down the raids, at least for the first couple weeks woulda been nice.

Else it's just gona be only "first epic" and well the rest are arbitrary distinctions at best.

Guess the upcoming challenge system will help with these ideals hopefully, and give us more concrete things to compete over for fun.

Gotta go with Shade on this one -- race to the top!

[Sleepsalot]

The claim they want every on to start Arties at level 1 the get the full exp feel is Bogus the Ship trainer needs a major rewrite to be able to train them.. Sad how their lack of Coding this allows them to make such statements.. If they just told the truth some would understand.. It is nonsense Many paid for Veteran Status on Live and we get this told to us.. Bad way to do things.. If they can't get the ship done then HOLD the Release of the Class. But we know that won't happen. And this is not a Bash Turbine post Just stating Facts they gave out.

Sleeps