Artificer and Veteran Status

[Solmage]

Artificers will be required to be played from level 1 when Update 11 is released to the live servers, just as they work on Lamannia right now. As to when this will change, the best answer I can give right now is that they will be available to use Veteran Status, Lesser, and Greater + Hearts of Wood on at a later date.

Well, make sure to let us know, if it's a week or two after release, I MIGHT buy Artificer, anything longer than that and I'm waiting for the favour unlock. I am LRing my crafter into an Artificer, and that'll be expensive enough, and I do NOT have the time for a frivolous TR.

[MartinusWyllt]

The simpliest way to distort, obfuscate and generally generate fallacious responses to an argument is to extrapolate it to it's extreme cases.

I think that's what you meant.

[masterzzan]

in case you didn't realize it, the two things that where brought up in this thread :
1.artificers needed to be bought even by vip ,can be opened via favor later on. and
2 no level 4 start \reincarnation on artificers . (at least not right away).

are pure economic ideas.

the 1st make sure that anyone interested in the hyped new class will need to pay for it. (and later all the people who didn't might pay for the Canith adv pack to get it via favor).

the 2nd make sure that any player, even new ones on Korthos island, will SEE the artificers (that were bought by the "want it now\fast \first players or give me my Completionist feat back players) and their pets ("remember you can name them too. hurry or all the good names.;'Fido'.'K Nine' ,'AI' etc will be gone!!!") running around looking cool with the new gismo ,as only artificers (paid and bought for) can use the new "RUNE-ARMS " (TM) . (oh you can get them in redemption ,but you won't even get a chance to use them unless you pay up).

face it this is a bucket load of easy cash coming their way. and screaming : "what about my paid for veteran statues? " won't help until the hype is done and they will need to start selling reincarnation and veteran to the artificers so they can get their 3X past life.

[gloopygloop]

remember you can name them too. hurry or all the good names.;'Fido'.'K Nine' ,'AI' etc will be gone!!!"

Thankfully, multiple people can have the same pet name.

[smeggy1384]

Thankfully, multiple people can have the same pet name.

I expect to see a ton named similiar to what mine will be "BaneofBarrels"

[blkcat1028]

Hey. I'm a little behind on this subject, so if this has already been addressed I apologize.

Has there been an official statement saying that Vet Status will not apply to the Artificer when U11 goes live? I was under the impression that it was a Lamannia thing.

Thanks

[masterzzan]

Thankfully, multiple people can have the same pet name.

i actually was on the test server on the first days but haven't been there lately. i tried a name and it told me unavailable . so i thought it was taken like character names.

still you get my drift ..

also. note.im not against turbine for trying to make some extra cash. i happen to like the idea of being a vip for less then 1 dollar per 3 days plan. i just think they can earn it without being so blunt about it. and they can try and mind the players feelings more. yes. it might get them a bit less cash on the short run. but loosing players who get fed up with a brutal and uncaring attitude (or so it seems to some. im still not sure yet) can be an opening to a flood of people leaving the game for a rival rpg.

seen it happen with 9 dragons . that was a disaster .the company running the main server didn't care about update and bugs only selling. and later sold the right to run it to a different company,only didn't give them the players data which destroyed years of players effort.
i quit 9 dragons right after that.would be a shame if turbine goes the same way of grab all the cash you can now and #$%@ the costumers.

edit: i have been a bit nostalgic after writing this and made a search on 9dragons. seems it changes hands yet again... was a great game with so many players it legged on all servers contently .now it's dying :
this was their (new owner) announcement when they took over :http://forums.gamersfirst.com/index.php?showtopic=78304

this is now:

http://forums.gamersfirst.com/index....e&f=534&id=449

[jjflanigan]

*edit*

[blkcat1028]

Cordovan answered it earlier in this thread:

Thank you!

[Entelech]

/snip... The goal is to avoid the first artificer to hit 20 be a veteran to jump past the first 4 levels. Turbine has stated it is temporary until the class gets played out a bit. And they want the first lvl 20 artificer to be levelled from scratch..../snip

My question is this:

Why do they CARE what the first capped Artificer did at level 2-4?



It's not like it'll give them months of time to fix problems. There'll be level 20 Artificers within 48 hours of launch, give or take the usual outages and patches to fix lag and memory leaks. People who are used to the TR grind can slam out a first life with astounding speed.

What if the first new Artificer to hit cap is a multiclass? Does an 18 / 2 or a 16 / 2 / 2 build count? Will this cause Turbine's head to explode?

It's not like they only have the class built up to level 6 on Lamannia.

Why...do...they...care...? Do I need to use smaller words?


If you set a 100% arbitrary, meaningless, irrational goal, don't expect others to respect it when the results of that goal inconveniences them.

[Entarus]

As a paying customer who was planning to do some LRing with artificer levels, I want an explanation! I cannot fathom the reason for this decision. Why are you telling me how I should enjoy my character builds? You put LR and vet status into the game, so either remove them completely from the game or do not restrict based on class. I could understand the reason for this on lama. It was for testing. Testing is done when it goes to the live server. If it is not done, then don't make it live!

Devs, you had better give a satisfactory explanation for this, or you are going to lose me as a customer.

[Fomori]

To all the people that have said 'I payed real money for the veteran status', you are incorrect. To the letter of the law you purchased Turbine Points, which they gave you fairly.

The veteran status is an in game perk that is purchased with in game currency. There is no legal ramifications against changing what that perk entails. That would be like demanding compensation for changing something purchased with plat/gold/etc.

Where the issue comes in is that people have the misconception that a TP cost equates to real money cost, because they can quantify the TP purchase in real money terms. Just because you can quantify something doesnt mean there is bi-directional equality.

If they sold the ability directly for a cash, then we could possibly entertain debate on whether the are 'in good faith' or 'getting what I paid for'. As it is, except it or not, but act like adults and understand that life changes and not all those changes are going to be beneficial to you. Nothing wrong with stating something is shafting you, but demanding compensation is getting to close too 'waah waah I'm entitled'

[gloopygloop]

To all the people that have said 'I payed real money for the veteran status', you are incorrect. To the letter of the law you purchased Turbine Points, which they gave you fairly.

The veteran status is an in game perk that is purchased with in game currency.

So, it's now okay to screw your customers as long as you pretend to do some money laundering in the process?

Should I smile and nod politely if they disable some of the adventure packs that I bought for TP just because I spent TP that I bought for cash instead of buying them with cash directly? Should I send them thank you cards if they change my shared bank to 5 slots per purchase instead of 20?

Do you understand that it is reasonable for people to be ****ed when something that they spent money for is diminished in some way (even if it was passed through a magic lawsuit-immunity process of "virtual" currency)?

[Fomori]

So, it's now okay to screw your customers as long as you pretend to do some money laundering in the process?

I Never said anything about screwing customer over being okay. (which is a logic fallacy on your part, nice try) I actually stated why they are not screwing you over. Just because someone believes they are being negatively impacted doesnt mean they really are. Its your choice to feel hurt, but dont act like its assumed you were.

Also, money laundering - concealing the source of illegally gotten money. Both turbine and yourself know exactly what the source of the money is coming from.

edit: Seeing that you added more exaggerations to your post above just shows that you not willing to discuss but simply force feed your opinion as fact. You can add as many 'suppositions' as you want it still doesnt change reality on that they are legally in the right to do so.

I dont have to like it, but I'm willing to deal with it. If it ever gets the point where I am annoyed I'll stop playing. What I wont do is make assumptions that because I spent time/money on DDO that worked as stated in the past/present that I'm entitled to those same things if circumstances change in the future.

[Myrddinman]

C'mon folks...it's 4 levels.

I sometimes like going back and reliving old glory days in Korthos. And it's not like you can't twink

[gloopygloop]

edit: Seeing that you added more exaggerations to your post above just shows that you not willing to discuss but simply force feed your opinion as fact. You can add as many 'suppositions' as you want it still doesnt change reality on that they are legally in the right to do so.

I'm willing to discuss. I'm not willing to accept that Turbine's recent policy decisions are reasonable or smart and I'm not willing to smile and sit back when they make a whole host of stupid decisions that seem explicitly designed to **** off their customer base for no particular reason.

FvS wings
No Artificer LR
No Artificer Vet status
Cannith crafting no longer class/race independant
VIP must purchase Artificer to play them for at least several months during U11
...and I'm leaving out a few recent decisions that can't be discussed on the DDO forums.

Saying that "oh, it's okay for them to do obnoxious things since the ToS says they are allowed to" is just plain bogus.

[Entelech]

Look...as far as my own position goes...

I'm not upset about the content of U11 in general. While some folks choose to be upset about FvS Wing Clipping, on balance every update contains a few nerfs...and Wing Clipping as a way to limit kiting is the one we got this time. I think it's more justified than, say, what they did to Archmage SLA's an update or two ago.

I'm not even that irritated about no Lesser/Greater Reincarnates to Artificer. Admittedly, I think Turbine should have done more to warn off buyers during the "Stock up for U11" sales...but then Marketing has been sleazy with the Turbine Store in the past (there were issues with Cosmetic Shields when first introduced, for example...) But I can sort of vaguely see a rationale for the block, given that a prepared player could spend about 0.001 seconds to get over his Artificer life and re-earn Completionist. There is no timer between Greater/Lesser Reincarnate and a True Reincarnate. It's not a GREAT rationale, but it is there.

But this thing with Veteran Status is just a gratuitous slap in the face to players who purchased (or earned) the account upgrade. Never before has there been a barrier to leveling up a class you have access to through the Veteran trainer. And, as someone who paid for Veteran Status, I am not eager to set the precedent.

[Candela90]

Im upset only 'bout wings. Because:
1. Some people payed for fvs... and changing something that was bought is not nice.
2. There is a lack of healers... and here they found a way to make even less healing classes running around.
And i dont like these 2 things even a bit.

About veteran... I will probably just wait fto play arti for veteran available. Korthos and 2-level quests are just sooo boring now. when u did these so many times. But its okey, if they want us to test arti in all places from the very beggining. And yes - here is thing we payed for too... or earned it. So not fair too. But its OINLY for a little and FvS wingsd are not for some time. Theyre nerfed probably for forever ;p

[Drakos]

C'mon folks...it's 4 levels.

I sometimes like going back and reliving old glory days in Korthos. And it's not like you can't twink

It's four levels I paid for the right not to have to do. Also, it has been said befor, its as much about principal and getting what you bought as it is about the four levels.

[Myrddinman]

It's four levels I paid for the right not to have to do. Also, it has been said befor, its as much about principal and getting what you bought as it is about the four levels.

Yeah, I feel you. I paid for it too, but it doesn't bother me much as I know it will be an option in the future. I'm much more concerned about the water leaking in my bay window from the 10+ inches of rain we've had here over the last 48 hours, with another 24 to go

Everyone is entitled to their opinions...you, me and the rest of the community. People have the right to be upset and not be upset and we shouldn't be flaming each other over it (not that you flamed me or anything...just in general) nor should we be insisting how each other should respond to the decision. We all react in different ways and we cannot demand that others do the same just to bolster our position.