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  1. 08-31-2011, 12:23 AM #1
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    Default Looking for the elf falchion bard build or a twf elf bard 32.

    I thought I had seen a elf bard falchion build, but cant find it, or I was thinking about twf with party buffs, support heals and melee capable. Its for a buddy that just came over so wont have any gear yet, just the unlocked 32. I have never rolled a bard.
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  2. 08-31-2011, 06:49 AM #2
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    Elf is a rather bad choice for most melee characters. Is there anything special why it has to be Elf?
    Falchions are THF, not TWF. THF actually allows to drop one or more of the fighting style feats for metamagics, if needed, but twf adds more damage.

    Humans and Dwarves make great melee bards.

    The Bard thread linked in my signature contains some builds. Maybe you find what you need, or can at least provide some more info what you are looking for.

    Quoted from that thread an introduction to what a bard can do, and what kind of bard build you might want:
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    The Bard Build Spectrum:

    You're going to get a lot of advice and most of it conflicting. Bards are very personal builds. Not like Barbarians or whatever... and there's still lots of discussion there.

    Before you roll ANY kind of Bard, decide what you want to do with it.

    1. Crowd control SPELLS
    2. Heal
    3. Fascinate and buff
    4. Melee THF
    5. Melee TWF

    Every Bard is good at #3. Now, the closer you get to either end of the spectrum I just posted, the harder it will be to do things at the other end of the spectrum well.

    If your first priority aim is the best Crowd Control spells, that's very specialized on a Bard. If your aim is two-weapon fighting at 5. that's really specialized and you won't be able to afford all the feats or stats to do 1. or 2. as effectively as a Bard that decides to specialize in 1. or 2.

    What's this? Specialization? On a Bard, the Jack of All Trades?

    Yes. Generalist doesn't work so well in DDO, it's a min-max environment. So we gotta build our Bards a little different than in pen and paper or other D&D games.

    1. or 2. you build a Spellsinger, max out Charisma, and only put enough in STR to not get enfeebled easily.
    3. The best fascinate is Enthrall, which is only available to Virtuoso (which doesn't get much love because it's special song is more oriented for soloing or 6-man parties than for raids)
    4. Two-handed fighting makes for a melee Bard that has room in the feat list for some feats to support healing.
    5. Two-weapon fighting takes a lot of investment into feats and starting stats, and doesn't leave you much room for much else.

    Some people build Warchanters with the same build stats as I'd build a for aims 1. or 2. but the Spellsinger gets extra DCs for spells over a Warchanter. So Warchanters are more suited to melee bards and Spellsingers for CC/healing bards.
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  3. 08-31-2011, 08:34 AM #3
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    Probably you mean scimitars if it's TWF and elf. It is by no means the best DPS a bard can do, so a build would only be suggested on the assumption that your friend really wants to make an elf bard for aesthetic reasons.

    Making an elf Falchion bard makes some sense. The Falchion has the best critical profile of the two-handed weapons (and things like the epic Sword of Shadows are nothing to worry about on your first character). This makes the elf race relatively on par with dwarf or human as a choice, though not as good as half-orc. The penalty to CON always hurts on an elf, of course.

    Here's a Warchanter II / Kensai I build that I was able to throw together for you.

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Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Elf Female
(6 Fighter \ 14 Bard) 
Hit Points: 286
Spell Points: 484 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 11
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    25
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    12
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  0                     0
Intimidate            2                     8
Jump                  4                     8
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         0                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               6                    26
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                     1
Spot                  0.5                   5
Swim                  4                     7
Tumble                1                     1
Use Magic Device      6                    26

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Spot (+1.5)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II
Enhancement: Falchion Training
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Kensei Falchion Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckness View Post
    Here's a Warchanter II / Kensai I build that I was able to throw together for you.
    Why chaotic neutral over true neutral?
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  5. 08-31-2011, 08:42 AM #5
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    There's no very strong reason to go either way.

    I like chaotic for early access to some alignment-restricted items (True Chaos and some named gear). Most enemies are neutral or lawful, so it's a decent modifier to be able to use. But, once again, nothing game-changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckness View Post
    There's no very strong reason to go either way.

    I like chaotic for early access to some alignment-restricted items (True Chaos and some named gear). Most enemies are neutral or lawful, so it's a decent modifier to be able to use. But, once again, nothing game-changing.
    A bard's inherent high UMD should allow to bypass any alignment-restricted gear.

    TN, however allows access to Stability and Greater Stability Items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    A bard's inherent high UMD should allow to bypass any alignment-restricted gear.
    Not at level 4.

    TN, however allows access to Stability and Greater Stability Items.
    How important is this?
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