Augment Summoning or dont join.

[Chai]

Tried to join a Hound earlier on a bard. Was told if I dont have augment summoning I cant join. Then when I explained we used to run this on elite, the excuse I was given for this was that theres alot of f2p who dont know whats up.

So the fact that he invited 8 questionable people before me means I have to gimp a perfectly good build to take a feat that we never had when we ran the same raid undermanned on elite back in 08 regularly.

Ive since walked to the corner store and back before posting this, and the LFM is still up, heh.

Getting pretty weak Sarlona. Youll have to do better.

[Rumbaar]

Sounds like you saved yourself a lot of trouble, he did you a service.

[TheDearLeader]

Funlarious.

Although I admit, it will be nice to get a free Augment Summoning from Epic Roddy's Wand in U11. Situational, but not bad to have.

[rodallec]

Only on sarlona
the red headed stepchild server ^^

[mudfud]

Yeah from all the people who I know who play multiple servers it does seem that Sarlona pugging is the most 'interesting' in the short yellow bus way.

[FooWonk]

Yeah from all the people who I know who play multiple servers it does seem that Sarlona pugging is the most 'interesting' in the short yellow bus way.

I love pugging on Sarlona because of the quality of players vary so randomly. It's most fun when there group has one or two well known strong players and a bunch of unaffiliated first adventurers.

Not everyone enjoys that...but as challenge goes, Sarlona PUGs keep the game fresh for me.

[PurdueDave]

Wow. Just...wow.

[Mangloid]

PUGGing on Sarlona

[ainmosni]

PUGGing on Sarlona

not an accurate pic for ddo, as the guy on the far right is a druid

[Cauthey]

That sucks, Chai. Amusing though that they didn't fill. You were probably better off not running with them.

Isn't there an item that grants Augment Summoning? Or, perhaps, am I remembering a epic item upgrade discussion for Epic Roderic's Wand?

[Sarisa]

That sucks, Chai. Amusing though that they didn't fill. You were probably better off not running with them.

Isn't there an item that grants Augment Summoning? Or, perhaps, am I remembering a epic item upgrade discussion for Epic Roderic's Wand?

The update 11 form of Epic Roderic's Wand.

I personally would not waste a feat on Augment Summoning, but I will happily make that wand once u11 hits on my Bard.

And I agree, better off not running with them.

[krackythehoodedone]

Interesting.

Maybe someone that really knows will explain Re Augment Summons

I didnt even know that it affected the puppies in Hox

Group i was in last nite was arguing about it

But hey weve done it B4 without so won't make much difference?

[Cauthey]

Interesting.

Maybe someone that really knows will explain Re Augment Summons

I didnt even know that it affected the puppies in Hox

Group i was in last nite was arguing about it

But hey weve done it B4 without so won't make much difference?

If the puppy "charmer" has Augment Summoning, it effects them as it would any summonable pet. They are augmented upon charm. Helps them stay up, pluses to stats, etc.

[Uska]

If the puppy "charmer" has Augment Summoning, it effects them as it would any summonable pet. They are augmented upon charm. Helps them stay up, pluses to stats, etc.

I didnt know that but it isnt worth if for one raid

[Llewndyn]

I didnt know that but it isnt worth if for one raid

/signed

I got asked on my sorc if I had ooze puppet for a mission once, a higher level one, can't remember which one but I think it was in RR, I said no, and the rest of the mission they were complaining about it being critical to have in there. My response was why would I get a spell that only works in 1 or 2 missions? It's not the same as getting a metalline PG weapon, it takes up a SPELL slot! I would chalk it up to a lack of understanding Chai and move on, you lucked out there.

[Sarisa]

/signed

I got asked on my sorc if I had ooze puppet for a mission once, a higher level one, can't remember which one but I think it was in RR, I said no, and the rest of the mission they were complaining about it being critical to have in there. My response was why would I get a spell that only works in 1 or 2 missions? It's not the same as getting a metalline PG weapon, it takes up a SPELL slot! I would chalk it up to a lack of understanding Chai and move on, you lucked out there.

Enter the Kobold most likely. Living Spells are classed as oozes, and can be charmed by Ooze Puppet. The old version of that end fight had several Living Meteor Swarms that did massive damage even to those with evasion, and was one of the hardest end fights in the game at the time (even on normal). It's nowhere near as nasty now as it once was. That said, expecting a Sorc to have such a situational spell is stupid.

Hound is very picky. I noticed that Prayer, which is just 1 point of dog damage, can save upwards of 20 seconds on a Hard run. Augment Summoning is a significant help, but it's not a make-or-break ability. When I favour capped, my Elite HoX did not have an Augment Summoning carrying charmer, and we succeeded just fine (and it was via the "Nascar" method killing the Beholders, not this silly "H" method letting them race around the outside).

Also note when you examine a dog, you can SEE the charm timer. That way you can tell exactly when a dog is going to break, warn the healers and tank, and get one re-charmed right away.

[FuzzyDuck81]

If the puppy "charmer" has Augment Summoning, it effects them as it would any summonable pet. They are augmented upon charm. Helps them stay up, pluses to stats, etc.

...I think we might have found a new popular alternative to bards for hound charmers when artificers arrive then?

[Flavilandile]

interesting.

Now that raid has been run regularly since it was put in game... and as we went straight from 16 to 20 in Level cap... it was run regularly with LVL 16 Characters that didn't have any epic gear...

IMHO you've been saved a lot of trouble.

[deliph]

This has to be one of the best turned down for a pug cos of ...."....." I think Ive seen in a loooong time.

I agree with the rest here, you realy shouldnt run with raid leaders that request this kinda thing.

They do know its only +4 right? Which is what in the puppys case? +2 damage, +12 hp?

[Darkrok]

Tried to join a Hound earlier on a bard. Was told if I dont have augment summoning I cant join. Then when I explained we used to run this on elite, the excuse I was given for this was that theres alot of f2p who dont know whats up.

So the fact that he invited 8 questionable people before me means I have to gimp a perfectly good build to take a feat that we never had when we ran the same raid undermanned on elite back in 08 regularly.

Ive since walked to the corner store and back before posting this, and the LFM is still up, heh.

Getting pretty weak Sarlona. Youll have to do better.

Bah, they REALLY did you a favor.

I flat-out refuse to run HoX on my bards if they're having me charm the puppies. Short of a toon having augment summoning there's absolutely no point to a bard being the one charming. Given that bards don't have sprint boosts or improved run speed they're NOT the right toon to be running those crystals. Also given that they'll be the primary person buffing and it makes even less sense for the bard to charm (since they could start buffing the first charmed dog while the additional ones are still uncharmed if they're not doing the charming).

People can run their HoX runs however they want. I'm sitting on a 20 warchanter that would be great for buffing the dogs in HoX though and I've never run it for the simple reason that it's not worth the hassle to put up with the stupid. I respond to every blind tell of "HoX?1?!?" with "Who's charming?". I normally don't get a message back and the one time they said, "You would be" I just sent back a no thank you.