Wings updated

[dragon2fire]

If you had gangrene and the doctor told you he needed to remove your arm (hand might be more realistic in the example) but when you woke up you found that he was able to save it and only remove a finger I bet you would be grateful for the rest of your hand.

The only difference is whether you choose to accept the reasoning behind the removal or not. At this point changes are being made because the the development team sees a need to remove part of that option. Some players are accepting that need and some are in denial. Either way the dev team still managed to save a bit and that appears to be based on feedback.

I guess for me the part that is so confusing is why the dev team thinks fvs and wings in particular are the major unbalancing factor for content. I don't deny they are powerful but honestly they are not the most powerful class. I because of my healer get to run with some great groups some real power gamers. my stuff pales in comparison to what some of them can do and not a one of them are fvs. The elephant in the room really is not the wings not at all, its the dots. Divine punishment should have a saving throw or be susceptible to spell pen or something it and the arcane dots that's what is over powered not wing kiting the boss. Fvs have been wing spamming since the class came out and it was not broken before.

[EliahuTheMighty]

The DoT's hit 1-2k crits with the purple damage per tick after light vulnerability in my experience...

How in the heck are you getting it that high? With maximize and empower on, and with full smiting enhancements (but not crit multiplier enhancement), I don't see more than 500 tops on a crit. And I'm pretty sure the number is closer to 418 for highest I've seen. What goes into yours for 1-2k? If that's accurate, I could see why people say it's overpowered (Though not sure I'd be convinced that it's much more powerful than the other DoT's they've introduced).

[pHo3nix]

How in the heck are you getting it that high? With maximize and empower on, and with full smiting enhancements (but not crit multiplier enhancement), I don't see more than 500 tops on a crit. And I'm pretty sure the number is closer to 418 for highest I've seen. What goes into yours for 1-2k? If that's accurate, I could see why people say it's overpowered (Though not sure I'd be convinced that it's much more powerful than the other DoT's they've introduced).

Yes, it can hit for 1k-2k, but first you must be hit by the mob regularly to get the curse stack, and guess what, if you wings away you can't

The only mobs you can stack the curse on reliably are the ones you tank, you need to be hit pretty often to stack it, so i fail to see what's the connection between wings and DP with curse.

[EvilI]

This was never a negotiation. You thought our forum biotching was part of a 'negotiation'??? You thought you had leverage just because you were a paying customer?

LMAO. Dude, seriously.

Indeed, what a stange notion for a business to care about the opinion(s) of it's paying customers?

I don't agree with the initial decision of wingclipping at all, but insofar as this was not a calculated negotiation tactic then I appreciate this small change as a sign of pragmatism and prestiglessness which is encouraging in todays world.

[gloopygloop]

If you had gangrene and the doctor told you he needed to remove your arm (hand might be more realistic in the example) but when you woke up you found that he was able to save it and only remove a finger I bet you would be grateful for the rest of your hand.

I'd be grateful that I no longer have gangrene. I still would not be grateful that I lost a finger. The only difference is that I can correctly identify the problem and be grateful that I no longer am afflicted by it. I may understand its necessity, but don't try to tell me that I'll be grateful.

The only difference is whether you choose to accept the reasoning behind the removal or not. At this point changes are being made because the the development team sees a need to remove part of that option. Some players are accepting that need and some are in denial. Either way the dev team still managed to save a bit and that appears to be based on feedback.

Which is *extra* special since the Wings weren't a problem in the first place. I don't believe that I'm "in denial" over this since the problem didn't come from from the Wings in the first place. The devs are just all peeved that their new raid isn't quite as uber as they had hoped (because it could be beaten with several hundred mnemonic pots) and they went down one of Shade's game "balance" rabbit holes.

[SableShadow]

The devs are just all peeved that their new raid isn't quite as uber as they had hoped (because it could be beaten with several hundred mnemonic pots)

Yep.

and they went down one of Shade's "barbarian wasn't best spec" rabbit holes.

ftfy.

[Aashrym]

How in the heck are you getting it that high? With maximize and empower on, and with full smiting enhancements (but not crit multiplier enhancement), I don't see more than 500 tops on a crit. And I'm pretty sure the number is closer to 418 for highest I've seen. What goes into yours for 1-2k? If that's accurate, I could see why people say it's overpowered (Though not sure I'd be convinced that it's much more powerful than the other DoT's they've introduced).

That's with the light vulnerability. It does require getting hit and a little bit of time to build it up but it's pretty cheap, self healing is strong, and winging away if necessary is an option. My FvS is TR'd right now and I'm still on sorc lives for my next, so I cannot say what the damage looks like with the changes to condemnation but like I said I'm not surprised. EDIT: that's also with superior brilliance clickies.

The extent of my wing kiting was normally with blade barriers.

[Aashrym]

I'd be grateful that I no longer have gangrene. I still would not be grateful that I lost a finger. The only difference is that I can correctly identify the problem and be grateful that I no longer am afflicted by it. I may understand its necessity, but don't try to tell me that I'll be grateful.

Okay, maybe not everyone would share my line of thinking. I would not want to tell you how you would feel, but perhaps how others might feel and hope you see that possibility.

Which is *extra* special since the Wings weren't a problem in the first place. I don't believe that I'm "in denial" over this since the problem didn't come from from the Wings in the first place. The devs are just all peeved that their new raid isn't quite as uber as they had hoped (because it could be beaten with several hundred mnemonic pots) and they went down one of Shade's game "balance" rabbit holes.

I'm not entirely convinced it was wings either. I can see how they can contribute in some situations. SP pots, on the other hand, I have no problem expressing my opinion on their contribution to anything that might be OP.

[richieelias27]

fun fun fun or fun fun fun fun.

Or perhaps: fun

[BlargneyTheSecond]

Or perhaps: fun

Or an alternate fun fun fun (in the sun sun sun).

[Bago]

I was wondering what did the latest update bring since I haven't found anything new in the release notes. Then I logged on my FvS and was thrilled to find out that the wings regenerate at the rate of one per 3 seconds while in towns!

Thanks devs!

I am normally a complainer, and I approve of this message.

(disclaimer: I have not read the rest of the thread)

[Phemt81]

I'm not going to be grateful anyway.

This modus operandi is so sad and old that i wonder why people always approve it in the end: someone threatens to do something really really really really bad and all complain. Then they just do something bad, and more than half of those who were complaining stop complaining and are grateful.

Do you wanna explain the berlusconi method to americans?

[gloopygloop]

I'm not entirely convinced it was wings either. I can see how they can contribute in some situations. SP pots, on the other hand, I have no problem expressing my opinion on their contribution to anything that might be OP.

My opinion of Turbine's decision to sell SP pots in the DDO store can't be posted in the DDO forums without violating the CoC, so instead, I'll just say

Puppies and Rainbows.

[Invalid_50]

Give us back wings the way they were, and then design your content accordingly. Till then you wont get another red cent of my money, simple as that.

[Stormbringr]

Please, rather than breaking something that isn't broken (Leap of Faith), fix something that is (raid boss mechanics).

This new raid is the only situation in the entire game (maybe also kiting Suulomades) where wings is an issue. The obvious and understandable approach would be to fix the raids. This would achieve the same end result without irritating a vast number of oh-so-rare healers. The thought process you seem to have followed raises serious concerns for the unforeseeable future of this game.

Obviously, I don't often comment on this forum. Despite the apologists, this change concerns me enough to do so now. I imagine the same will be true of many other fvs who do not frequent the forums and many a raid will wait many a minute with lfm "need healer."

[Yagi]

If anybody cuts anything off of me because they think that my apendages are too useful, I am not going to thank them.

What a weird analogy.