Why wing clipping is such a big deal.

[Perspicacity]

I don't have a favored soul so I haven't read any wings threads till now. Something about the title drew me in because I wanted to know what the "big deal" was. After reading the OP's plea, It doesn't seem like that big a deal to me but I got to wonder...If the wings are so great,, how do you deal with playing your other non FS toons? It must be like that feeling you get after TR, when your moving around in your 5% striders but you have that contrast all the time , every time you play another toon. I suspect you'll adapt.

Your missing the point entirely, we don't want wings on our other toon's we want them on our favored souls and only on the favored souls. I don't want wings on my barbarian any more than I would want spell casting on a fighter or Turning on a rogue. It's what makes it a fav soul. It's the only unique ability favs have, to take it away or even water it down would make favs bland and flavorless. They'd just be a cleric spell list with a bucket of SP, nothing more.

I have a question, lets say for sake of argument that wings are in fact OP, why is that a bad thing?

[junta74]

And when this happens Im just told that its irrelevant anyhow, because the examples that myself and others have brought up dont support your stance. This is as old as the hills as well.

Bottom line. Make a blanket statement (which you have) and one person cites an example where that blanket statement does not apply (which has been done a couple times now) and its no longer a blanket statement.



It is as old as the nerf requests themselves. Nerfs arent the answer. Those who request nerfs around these parts are usually the same people complaining about them after the nerf happens. Thats when the "told you so" card gets tossed out onto the proverbial table, and theyre not too happy to be reminded that they were the ones pushing for this previous to the nerf bat being swung. The U5 hilarity is a perfect example of this, heh.



I did, but something about the quality of the popcorn just wasnt right...

(points for getting the reference)

Kentucky Fried Movie (also from Wisconsin, at least the writers)

[dragon2fire]

Your missing the point entirely, we don't want wings on our other toon's we want them on our favored souls and only on the favored souls. I don't want wings on my barbarian any more than I would want spell casting on a fighter or Turning on a rogue. It's what makes it a fav soul. It's the only unique ability favs have, to take it away or even water it down would make favs bland and flavorless. They'd just be a cleric spell list with a bucket of SP, nothing more.

I have a question, lets say for sake of argument that wings are in fact OP, why is that a bad thing?

Now i am very anti clip but i can answer your question. Basically if a fvs wants to with wings he can solo anything. Its not all of us i am not that way for example but the power gamers can do so and are like that. What annoys me is the concept that being powerful is so terrible but sadly that is super common in mmo's.

[Winter_storm]

I think the Dev have the balance thing upside down...

In life balance comes from flaws (niches), not perfection. So if you try to balance by taking away those special flaws then life tends become severely unbalanced. Somewhere along the way we think that making something perfectly balanced fixed things and yet it doesn't. In a sense it untangles it. In a game sense this becomes true also, the Devs are making the game so perfectly balanced that its becoming untangled. If each character and class has it own nich, then taking away or nerfing for balance makes the gaming less special and fun.

Sorry Dev's to say it but before the game becomes too unraveled. My proof is this.. Is the game growing in people or ?

[CyrusX99]

Haters gonna hate because they are jealous. Wings were specific to FvS, hence the attraction to BUY the class. Hell....while we are at it, lets nerf some more classes in a similar nature:

Barbarian/Monk: Increased run speed fatigues your character. Be careful running for prolonged periods of time or you will be hit with a 1:30 fatigue.

Sorcs: You grasp arcane magic as a natural ability and have a faster cast time/animation, however your cool downs are longer due to this.

Pale Masters are still over powered...further increase cool down on FoD, Wail, etc...

I could go on, but I think you all get my point.

Is this the balance you all really wanted because you are all whiners? You people make me sick.

[CyrusX99]

Haha neg rep...gotta love it. Hey...this isn't a pvp game, so why hate on something someone else can do?

I see no point in the hate, just roll one yourself. That sounds like a good motto: shut up or roll up lol.

[dragon2fire]

Haha neg rep...gotta love it. Hey...this isn't a pvp game, so why hate on something someone else can do?

I see no point in the hate, just roll one yourself. That sounds like a good motto: shut up or roll up lol.

lol dont worry about the neg rep ya know i got neg 65 that is hilarious. could i get 2 more to match my post number. :P

[kitsune_ko]

Anytime you think you have recieved undesered negative feedback you can appeal it by clicking the "report Post" button and reporting the post that recieved the negative feedback, state that you feel you have undesereved neg feedback for your post. It will be reviewed then.

Unfortunately; a lot of people use the rep system as a way to punish players for comments or views that they do not agree with; which is a violation fo the games ToS. Negative feeback is for abusive, offensive or trolling posts and should be used for thse types of posts only.

Repeated abuse of the negative feeback system can have consequences, but only if you report abuse of the system when it happens.

And while we are on topic; I am still anti-wing clipping its an overly heavy-handed nerf that I think punishes all players of FvS for what the top players are capable of.

And I aslo agree with that the doubling of SP cost to 10 is unneeded. It's on a timer already now; why kick the FvS once again with an increased SP cost, when you already have them on the ground?

I think somone else stated it perfectly. If Leap of Faith is now an action boost; then why does it cost SP at all? If it is a spell; then why is it on an action boost timer? As it is currently, it is a bastardization of the two; and with the negatives of both being applied; limited usage and a SP cost.

The double whammy is certainly unneeded.

[CyrusX99]

Anytime you think you have recieved undesered negative feedback you can appeal it by clicking the "report Post" button and reporting the post that recieved the negative feedback, state that you feel you have undesereved neg feedback for your post. It will be reviewed then.

Unfortunately; a lot of people use the rep system as a way to punish players for comments or views that they do not agree with; which is a violation fo the games ToS. Negative feeback is for abusive, offensive or trolling posts and should be used for thse types of posts only.

Repeated abuse of the negative feeback system can have consequences, but only if you report abuse of the system when it happens.

And while we are on topic; I am still anti-wing clipping its an overly heavy-handed nerf that I think punishes all players of FvS for what the top players are capable of.

And I aslo agree with that the doubling of SP cost to 10 is unneeded. It's on a timer already now; why kick the FvS once again with an increased SP cost, when you already have them on the ground?

I think somone else stated it perfectly. If Leap of Faith is now an action boost; then why does it cost SP at all? If it is a spell; then why is it on an action boost timer? As it is currently, it is a bastardization of the two; and with the negatives of both being applied; limited usage and a SP cost.

The double whammy is certainly unneeded.

Yea...I know about the neg rep appeal, but I'm not too worried about it.

On a serious note though, I completely agree with you. I will say that if the devs felt there needed to be a nerf, I'd understand if they just made the cooldown 6 seconds. I would have hated it, but could have lived with it a lot better. This is a total kick in the gut.

I agree that sometimes spells, abilities, feats, etc need to be changed or tweaked from time to time, but there is no rhyme or reason to this at all is really what I'm getting at.

[Viisari]

On a serious note though, I completely agree with you. I will say that if the devs felt there needed to be a nerf, I'd understand if they just made the cooldown 6 seconds. I would have hated it, but could have lived with it a lot better. This is a total kick in the gut.

A lot of people actually thought increased cooldown would be even worse than the current nerf, increasing the cooldown was the thing devs were originally going to do.

Also, the whole rep system is borked, there's a reason people turn their rep off.

[CyrusX99]

A lot of people actually thought increased cooldown would be even worse than the current nerf, increasing the cooldown was the thing devs were originally going to do.

Also, the whole rep system is borked, there's a reason people turn their rep off.

I got used to it eventually on my Air Savant....took a while, but hated it in the beginning. But the double nerf is really bothering me. Its kinda insulting actually. There wasn't a problem with it for 2 years now, why all the sudden a nerf to it?

This is kinda stupid though...so it is a feat that acts like an action boost...but unlike an action boost there is no way to increase its functionality, and unlike an action boost it costs you SP? Yea..that makes total sense.

[Drona]

I do not have a FvS, but so many times people playing it have helped me in so many quests.

A new invasion boss, VoD runs (my barb and only FvS to get Tharnes ) etc... to name a few.

I thank all the FvS who have helped me and made this game fun!

[adamkatt]

In contrast, when I stepped onto Lammania, it felt horrible. With the 5 charge limit, I had to choose between getting places quickly or having speed bursts left when I got there to get out of trouble. I kid you not, it felt like the freedom that I had previously enjoyed so much had been taken away. I assure you it was not a pleasant feeling.

The restricted use of leap of faith is a complete game-changer for me. And definitely not for the better. Please don't bring this change to the live servers.
-blarg

Monks had it first and they have always been limited......

[ShaitainFerenczy]

Everyone cried about the nerf to monks, rogues and sneaking/attacking, disruption/smiting/banishing weapons, spells, and now favored souls and their wings.
I do have a rogue, which I enjoy playing even though attacking while stealthed sends you straight back into view.
Nerfs for monk? My level 20 Dark Ninja Spy Monk Nefetiri is awesome.
The weapons, sure, the reason you all wanted a banishing rapier with keen or improved crit: pierce was faster instant killing, but not, you do more damage and can kill things with them ALMOST as fast.
Spells cast by arcanes, I cannot really comment on that since my wizard is only 6th level and my sorcer is only 4th.
Now for Favored Soul. I have a level 20 FvS named Marillith. Yes, when I reached 17th level and got Leap of Faith, I fell inlove with the Golden Wings as did many whom play the class. And yes, I do enjoy spamming the wings to move around public areas faster, and to keep up with the speed-demon barbarians and rangers (my barb and ranger are speedy). As annoying as the wing change may be, I will not stop playing Marillith. She is a fun toon and while not one of the many "godly" toons out there, she is mine and I enjoy her.
Many will disagree with me, or will tell me I am wrong. I do understand where the fvs players are coming from. It is the only class that you either have to unlock with favor, or buy using TP. That is for both f2p and VIP. The class rocks.
As long as Marillith is still fun to play, I shall continue doing so. All the while hiding behind her Light and Darkness, stabbing things with her scimitar, or blasting them back to Asmodeous.

Play the game, and enjoy it. Otherwise, we all have to go back to work and wait to die.