Why wing clipping is such a big deal.

[~sumptingwong]

This is so wrong it's actually pretty funny

For your information, unless the whole party is full of favored souls that only wing forward ignoring all mobs, having a favored soul in the party will not make the quest go faster at all.

Having a necromancer in the party on the otherhand...

Then if it is so wrong there is no need for the nerf then. Hi Welcome

[Viisari]

Then if it is so wrong there is no need for the nerf then. Hi Welcome

They're not being nerfed because they allow for greater movement speed, your point is invalid.

There are different things in this game besides wings the allow for near, if not equal movement speeds, and none of them are being looked at currently.

[~sumptingwong]

They're not being nerfed because they allow for greater movement speed, your point is invalid.

There are different things in this game besides wings the allow for near, if not equal movement speeds, and none of them are being looked at currently.

They are being nerfed because of breaking through DA, and if that is not the reason by Turbine, then Turbine is just being idiots because then it really is not broken

[pie2655]

Players will adapt to life with limited wings. Some faster than others. Think the best thing to do is just move on, the change is done and no matter of posting is going to revert it back to what it once was: Broken.

This

One of the best things i've ever read on the forums.

[xberto]

I dont have a favored soul so I havent read any wings threads till now. Something about the title drew me in because I wanted to know what the "big deal" was. After reading the OP's plea, It doesnt seem like that big a deal to me but I got to wonder...If the wings are so great,, how do you deal with playing your other non FS toons? It must be like that feeling you get after TR, when your moving around in your 5% striders but you have that contrast all the time , every time you play another toon. I suspect you'll adapt.

[dragon2fire]

I dont have a favored soul so I havent read any wings threads till now. Something about the title drew me in because I wanted to know what the "big deal" was. After reading the OP's plea, It doesnt seem like that big a deal to me but I got to wonder...If the wings are so great,, how do you deal with playing your other non FS toons? It must be like that feeling you get after TR, when your moving around in your 5% striders but you have that contrast all the time , every time you play another toon. I suspect you'll adapt.

The answer is i dont play other toons i play fvs for anything short of shourd running because they move quickly.

[TemperanceC]

If you don't play a FVS then please stop telling those of us that do to get over it. You do not understand because you have not had wings yourself. Most of the post's I have seen that have stated get over it is coming from some one who does not even play the class. It would be like me telling a barb how to tank or a caster how to cast and when to cast what spells. The fact of the matter is the wing nerf has ****ed a lot of people off and we are venting and expressing our opinion's on something that directly affects us.

[Viisari]

The answer is i dont play other toons i play fvs for anything short of shourd running because they move quickly.

So you play a favored soul solely because of their speed? Then roll a barb, monk or a ranger or any combination of them and you won't have anything to whine about.

[dragon2fire]

So you play a favored soul solely because of their speed? Then roll a barb, monk or a ranger or any combination of them and you won't have anything to whine about.

Bs those other things are not casters and they do not keep a party going.

[Aaxeyu]

Bs those other things are not casters and they do not keep a party going.

So basicly you play FvS because they are overpowerd?

[dragon2fire]

So basicly you play FvS because they are overpowerd?

I play a healer cause i hate waiting on heals. I play and i might add paid for fvs because they move quickly.

[~sumptingwong]

So you play a favored soul solely because of their speed? Then roll a barb, monk or a ranger or any combination of them and you won't have anything to whine about.

non of those that you listed have good self heals, and if you responded Oh yea Monks do, then you have to be human and dump points into heal amp (12 or so for it to matter), or be a halfling and have very high Ac which at end game Ac is next to pointless because very very few can get the Ac high enough. Compared to A FavoredSoul that actually is meant for healing the others do not have very good self heals at all, besides pots, Cure Serious Wounds, and Fists of Light.

[~sumptingwong]

So basicly you play FvS because they are overpowerd?

If Favored Souls were Over powered and that is the only reason he plays them then he is a not very good player, (I never said he actually is though, he said he plays them because he hates waiting for heals) unless he also plays them because of the roll he fulfills.

[~sumptingwong]

Bs those other things are not casters and they do not keep a party going.

/signed, Never seen a all barb, fighter, or paladin shroud/Vod/Hound. As well as only casters have solo'd or two manned echrono. And only Casters have also solo'd or two manned ToD.

[dragon2fire]

If Favored Souls were Over powered and that is the only reason he plays them then he is a not very good player, (I never said he actually is though, he said he plays them because he hates waiting for heals) unless he also plays them because of the roll he fulfills.

Basically i look at fvs as the oil that keeps the engine moving. For the record maybe fvs are op if so i can name other classes that are to. My sorc is way more op when leveling them fvs would ever dream of being that is just a fact.

[Viisari]

/signed, Never seen a all barb, fighter, or paladin shroud/Vod/Hound. As well as only casters have solo'd or two manned echrono. And only Casters have also solo'd or two manned ToD.

VoD has been soloed by fighters, Shroud has been done on elite by a melee group, epic raids have been done BYOH -style, your point is..? What? Casters are and have been for a long time more powerful than most other classes or multiclasses, old news. All caster parties are much more cookiecutters than all melee parties though, so you see them do stuff more often.

But that doesn't really have anything to do with movement speed.

And healers are only required for raids and some epics, you guys are overvaluing yourselves, you will also need a tank for most raids if you want them done, and for epics you're very likely to need an arcane caster, and in both cases those two are equally, if not more important for the completion.

Especially with epics, if you have a good caster there a ******** monkey can keep the party healed. If you have a bad caster then your whole group is likely to wipe unless it's one of the very easy epics.

In other cases, healers merely make things easier, and I appreciate that, but really now, a machine has many parts, and a healer is merely one gear there with the others.

[~sumptingwong]

VoD has been soloed by fighters, Shroud has been done on elite by a melee group, epic raids have been done BYOH -style, your point is..? What? Casters are and have been for a long time more powerful than most other classes or multiclasses, old news. All caster parties are much more cookiecutters than all melee parties though, so you see them do stuff more often.

But that doesn't really have anything to do with movement speed.

And healers are only required for raids and some epics, you guys are overvaluing yourselves, you will also need a tank for most raids if you want them done, and for epics you're very likely to need an arcane caster, and in both cases those two are equally, if not more important for the completion.

Especially with epics, if you have a good caster there a ******** monkey can keep the party healed. If you have a bad caster then your whole group is likely to wipe unless it's one of the very easy epics.

In other cases, healers merely make things easier, and I appreciate that, but really now, a machine has many parts, and a healer is merely one gear there with the others.

Never seen it come on the forums, post me a link. And my point is that Casters Are the most frequent soloers at end game. Thought I would have gave a few examples to prevent you from quoting me again so I feel like I can stop posting on the thread saying, "Favored Souls are not OP'd cause they aren't." Every class should be nerfed then and given the same abilities, then nothing will be OP'd!

[~sumptingwong]

I took my own labor in finding the link and VoD normal has been solo'd by one fighter, and the "All elite Melee VoD" had one cleric in it with zero sp at the end. Good to know, More Casters have solo'd end game material and are better at it then melee and specialist.

[Viisari]

I took my own labor in finding the link and VoD normal has been solo'd by one fighter, and the "All elite Melee VoD" had one cleric in it with zero sp at the end. Good to know, More Casters have solo'd end game material and are better at it then melee and specialist.

Nobody was speaking about elite vod, read the post again...

And yes, it is quite well known that casters are far better at soloing stuff than melees are, what does that have to do with this topic, other than that wings certainly don't make soloing harder for favored souls? If anything, it speaks in favor of nerfing wings, not against it.

[Aaxeyu]

And yes, it is quite well known that casters are far better at soloing stuff than melees are, what does that have to do with this topic, other than that wings certainly don't make soloing harder for favored souls? If anything, it speaks in favor of nerfing wings, not against it.

Just like all their other arguments. It's obvious that they just want to keep their wings because they infact are overpowered. I mean, it's the "anti wing-nerf" crowd that makes some of the best argument for why wings shoul be nerfed.
Very funny to watch though