Why wing clipping is such a big deal.

[Truga]

lol, no.
This change is long overdue.

If the reduced mobility makes FvS unplayable, then every other class has always been unplayable, and that is not really the case now is it?

Get over it.

It is for some people apparently.

IMHO, all turbine needs to do is add a 6 cooldown timer to leap every time you get hit. That way you can't simply leap your way out of trouble, but the mobility of the class is not reduced when you're just running through.

[quijenoth]

Oh come on, how is flying across Amrath in 1 minute less fun than doing it with a full party killing mobs on the way in 20 minutes? wings is just a shortcut, nothing more - You get across zones just as easy with featherfall, haste pots, plus sprint boosts as a ranger/barbarian but you dont see them asking for unlimited sprint boosts!?!!?

I think your experience of slower travel on lamannia is also a measure of no airship access. Airships vastly speed up wait times on quests (unless every player is collecting ship buffs).

Sure I miss my teleport spell when not playing my wizard but its no more fun than running through zones. In fact catching some of the general conversations can be more entertaining to travel slower I've often held off zoning sometimes to see what people will reply to said joke in general.

Saying that you think the amount of time spent traveling has ruined your experience is nonsense. Have you ever played Everquest when it first came out, traveling by foot from Qeynos to Freeport? (or further on to Feydwer)?

I once did the run on my first character, it took me almost 2 hours game time to make the trip only to realise I was kill-on-sight to the Freeport guards there who prompty beat me down sending me to my bind point back in Qeynos!!!!! Yes I was gutted but I had a blast dodging creatures far beyond my level and exploring the zones I'd never seen before. I remember it fondly even now although I wasted 4 hours of my life completing the journey.

Passing over areas quicker does not make the journey more fun, it just allows you to enjoy your destination more quickly. Which, if im not mistaken, is actually a luxury of wings not a desired WAI effect of wings.

[FengXian]

you're wasting my time

yes, you are.

[Letrii]

Travelling from Qeynos to Freeport at lvl 5 was entertaining to say the least.

[Bago]

The best thing about City of Heroes was superleap.
(The worst thing about MxO was how bad their version of superleap was in comparison .. lol)
The best thing about Champions Online was swinging. Teleport was "better", but swinging was more fun.
The best thing about DCUO was acrobatics.

[Perspicacity]

Players will adapt to life with limited wings. Some faster than others. Think the best thing to do is just move on, the change is done and no matter of posting is going to revert it back to what it once was: Broken.

I fail to see how this very simple power, the power to jump far and fast, was broken. Please explain.

[Gratch]

, plus sprint boosts as a ranger/barbarian but you dont see them asking for unlimited sprint boosts!?!!?

OMG devs, my barb & rangers need unlimited sprint boosts NOW NOW NOW. They are currently only playable until the sprint boosts run out. At that point if the dungeon is not complete and I'm solo'ing I just recall. If there are others, I just pike until the next shrine.

There. I've asked for unlimited sprint boosts. I guess even unlimited it would still be a boost since it's on for 20 off for 10 so we don't even have to rename it to "sprint mode".

Dear devs, please add in mobile ballista emplacements (as used in Framework) for my Artificer to construct when needed to fling oneself far far far forward in a map... like stormcleave or say from Shroud part 1 to Shroud part 5. Limited sprint boosts and wings is too slow.

[Perspicacity]

You get across zones just as easy with featherfall, haste pots, plus sprint boosts as a ranger/barbarian but you dont see them asking for unlimited sprint boosts!?!!?

Not the same, you get 5 shots of speed boost at level 1 plus, later on extra uses from enhancements and some items. My barb has 9 speed boosts versus 5 shots of wings, not to mention that speed boost lasts for 20 seconds, wings are a one shot jump. My barbarian can already keep pace with a fav, After UD 11 my barbarian's Speed boost will be WAY better than wings which means wings will be way under powered. A level 1 Barbarian's power should not be better or even comparable to a level 17 favored souls power.

[Qindark]

Not the same, you get 5 shots of speed boost at level 1 plus, later on extra uses from enhancements and some items. My barb has 9 speed boosts versus 5 shots of wings, not to mention that speed boost lasts for 20 seconds, wings are a one shot jump. My barbarian can already keep pace with a fav, After UD 11 my barbarian's Speed boost will be WAY better than wings which means wings will be way under powered. A level 1 Barbarian's power should not be better or even comparable to a level 17 favored souls power.

Does barbarian's haste boost negate red DA? oh yeah, nope.

[Perspicacity]

Does barbarian's haste boost negate red DA? oh yeah, nope.

That's why its a level 1 power. Your only strengthening my argument. Favored souls are the D&D equivalent of Jesus Christ. Yes they can do miraculous stuff but there suppose to. Being broken is not a balance issue it's there whole character concept of the class, if it ain't broken it ant a fav.

FYI, I have a level 4 barb who HAS gotten out of red DA with only angers step and a sprint boost I. Its no angel wings but I was triple harried and still out ran the mob... barely, but I did.

EDIT: By the way I like how you site dungeon alerts as being a good thing.

[pHo3nix]

EDIT: By the way I like how you site dungeon alerts as being a good thing.

Disapproving wings and liking DA is not that strange: it means he likes a slow paced game.

I love wings and hate DA, cause i love fast paced game

[Perspicacity]

Disapproving wings and liking DA is not that strange: it means he likes a slow paced game.

I love wings and hate DA, cause i love fast paced game

That makes sense. Honestly I am kind of confused as to why the anti-wing sentiment even exists. It doesn't hurt anyone for them to have that power. I don't have any character who's ever had it and I have never cared that others did. If a fav wants to zerg why not let them?

[Ganak]

I feel the same way about the nerf to tumbling while stealthed they did four years ago or so.

I still cry myself to sleep just thinking about it

[Perspicacity]

I just found out that one of the items that drops in the new quest pack in UD 11 is a pair of 'rocket' boots. It's basically an angel wing clicky. So not only are they nerfing wigs there passing out the newly nerfed wings to every class in the game? What next? A 'music box' trinket that's a bard song clicky? I Silver flame shield that has a Turn undead clicky? I know how about a helm that grants a pally aura? Why make classes different when we can just give every ability to every class? Artificers are not OP but considering the direction the game is going and the fact that Artys are UMD sticks it's dumb not go go exclusively artificer from now on, they'll be able to do everything; Heck, they pretty much can already.

Some may disagree with me but know this, I just deleted my Fav and I'm never making another one, others will follow suit.

[Volaxis]

Wings clipping = lower enjoyment of the _game_ sure. But for whatever reason there doing it, exploits, were still gonna exploit the shiz outta this thing, dont think wing clipping will stop us beating your hardest raids in under 10 minutes.

[BrightAsh]

Lol, in trying so hard to prove his point, i feel the OP has only proven that the fuzz is over-exaggerated by people.

Really, the only reason is travel time? Time spend ingame in general? Imho it's time to learn to enjoy DDO in a different fashion.

[Aurora1979]

Lol, in trying so hard to prove his point, i feel the OP has only proven that the fuzz is over-exaggerated by people.

Really, the only reason is travel time? Time spend ingame in general? Imho it's time to learn to enjoy DDO in a different fashion.

I dont think they are to be honest. Someones fun within the game is a subjective matter. Who are you, or any of us, to say how much any change will effect someones enjoyment of the game.

Theres hundreds of differnt things people enjoy about DDO... personally, I havent played a high level arcane since shortly after U9.

I didnt moan, too much, about it at the time and I listened to lots of people tellothers like me that it will be fine and we will adjust but FOR ME arcanes now are not as much fun.

I suspect the same will happen with wings here. Yes, fwiw I do think most people will adapt and move on.... Im still here after U9. I just found a new fav class. But that doesnt give us the right to TELL people what gives them fun and what doesnt.

[Aaxeyu]

I didnt moan, too much, about it at the time and I listened to lots of people tellothers like me that it will be fine and we will adjust but FOR ME arcanes now are not as much fun.

I'm curious, what exactly was it that made you stop enjoying your caster?

[Aurora1979]

I'm curious, what exactly was it that made you stop enjoying your caster?

I just really enjoyed the playstyle. I liked the hold and hit with a woo woo stick and, from what i read at the time, I found I was using quite a few spells. Rather then just mass hold and beat down.

At the time I was doing alot of epic stuff and really enjoyed the play style.

I know your probably gonna shout at me but, as I say above.... personally, for me, i enjoyed it more then I did after U9.

I should add that Im in the process of running up a new AM atm, at level 12 and I have my old AM tr'd but sat at level 3 waiting to be a PM. I will give them a go again but I personally did enjoy it more.

Im de railing alot here but my point is just..... some people enjoy things and some people dont. I wont whinge too much about wings but I dont think its fair to say that people who feel the fun in a FVS is the wings and once nerfed they wont enjoy it as much. Thats their decision to make.


EDIT: to sum up, and actually answer your question rather then waffle that changes made to auto crit on holds and the raise in mobs saves against it.... I know with more spells you can make it stick and stay but.... yea... as I say, just a personal thing.
Last thing though.... Ive not played on Lam so I will wait for the wings to go live before I make any judgement. From what Ive heard, with 6 clicks and a 15 sec cool down it wont effect my personal playstyle much. I use wings a fair bit but I can get away without spamming I think.

[~sumptingwong]

Players will adapt to life with limited wings. Some faster than others. Think the best thing to do is just move on, the change is done and no matter of posting is going to revert it back to what it once was: Broken.

Wings were not Broken... Not Over Powered... Wings were simply the ability to move with Dungeon Alert, which Dungeon Alert is Broken and should be removed