Why wing clipping is such a big deal.

[BlargneyTheSecond]

After all the hullabaloo on the forums about the changes to leap of faith, I decided to get onto Lammania to see for myself. My reaction: when people here say that this nerf has gutted the favored soul class, they're not wrong or over-exaggerating. It really really has. I think I need to mention some of my history in order to explain why this statement is true for me.

A few years ago, I messed up my knee very badly, so I had to spend months not walking or even working (I teach dance). I decided I would have a look at the MMO scene to quell the boredom. I started by going back to WoW to find out if it was still as crappy as I remembered. It was. After that I sampled a large number of MMOs, and out of all of them, DDO stood out from the pack.

The defining feature that put DDO above all the other candidates? To get to a quest I didn't have to run through miles and miles of outdoor area being assaulted by aggressive mobs. Stuff I wanted to do was close together, and the ratio of time spent doing fun stuff vs time spent getting there was extremely favorable. This was the singular reason that I chose to invest my money in this game over all the other candidates.

I care about effectiveness and efficiency, so over time I became more concerned with playing better and getting more things done in the same amount of time. It's partly for my own benefit, but also for other players as well. As much as I value my own time, I try to be considerate of other players' time as well, which means constantly working on making myself faster and learning more shortcuts. I don't want to be the jerk wasting their time, when they could be doing something fun instead of waiting for me.

There's even a little mini-game built into DDO that is truly enjoyable: exploration. I *love* putting together characters that excel at finding new ways of getting around. It's very very satisfying to find a new shortcut because it saves me and my partymates time. Every player gets to choose how many resources they want to sink into the ability to get around, and it's a huge feature of the game.

On top of all that, DDO has gotten bigger over the years. More content is fun, but it also means longer travel times. The net result is that speed has become even more valuable.

So when I play my favored soul, it feels deeply satisfying. I'm free to explore, to be considerate of my fellow players, and to avoid wasting my own time. I've chosen to invest in my ability to get around because it's very important to me. I use leap of faith *all the time*. To get places, to get out of places, to avoid danger. I put that extra speed to good use by accomplishing objectives quickly so everyone benefits.

In contrast, when I stepped onto Lammania, it felt horrible. With the 5 charge limit, I had to choose between getting places quickly or having speed bursts left when I got there to get out of trouble. I kid you not, it felt like the freedom that I had previously enjoyed so much had been taken away. I assure you it was not a pleasant feeling.

The restricted use of leap of faith is a complete game-changer for me. And definitely not for the better. Please don't bring this change to the live servers.
-blarg

[xTethx]

Players will adapt to life with limited wings. Some faster than others. Think the best thing to do is just move on, the change is done and no matter of posting is going to revert it back to what it once was: Broken.

[Caseas]

Players will adapt. The change is gonna slow you down, that much is true; however, if your huge concern is time-spent, you could always use some Game Genie code to give you no-clip, infinite ammo, 999 lives, and all those other cheats you probably used to beat games in 10 minutes.

Please close this thread.

[TheDearLeader]

Please close this thread.

This.

C'mon man, we didn't need another one. Be reasonable.

[mournbladereigns]

get a phiarlan pendant of time, somehow you will find the courage to go on playing

[Qezuzu]

Why another thread?

[Rumbaar]

I guess it's the same level of deal as it is to create your own thread on the subject. We all want to be unique and have our fun.

[protokon]

get a phiarlan pendant of time, somehow you will find the courage to go on playing

doesn't work in explorer areas, which is primarily where I used my wings the most.

I want my wings back

[Letrii]

Don't have a FvS, what do wings do that is such a big deal?

[TheDearLeader]

Don't have a FvS, what do wings do that is such a big deal?

They randomly create dozens of threads about the same topic.

Pretty powerful, huh?

[dragon2fire]

Don't have a FvS, what do wings do that is such a big deal?

They are fun!!!!...that and they speed things up you effectivly move faster. they are getting nerfed cause they are very powerful for kiting so you can dot and kite and solo say the new raid....and that is embarrassing for the dev that made it so they respond by taking our toy away and that has thouse of us that play mainly fvs in a uproar.

[bluecheet]

drink a haste pot... /thread

[dragon2fire]

You know its funny nothing in this game has ever had me this ticked off before i am mad like really mad like not even enjoying my fvs at all any more kind of mad over this ...i guess thats a me problem but sigh ....

[DustTheWind]

I think they at very least need to let them use it in explorer areas or quests.

[The_Brave2]

I think they at very least need to let them use it in explorer areas or quests.

So do I, sign the thread

Wings in Public and Explorer Areas

[BlargneyTheSecond]

Look, I've been playing this game long enough to know how to play the exploration mini-game well. I have haste potions, I have the pendant of time, I have jump maxed out. I farmed the **** out of Ghola-Fan to get myself royal guard masks. I went to the trouble of getting myself FvS for the leap of faith ability.

I think I need to state this more clearly.

1) From the few dev comments on the issue, it sounds like their objective is to balance the combat applications of leap of faith. I fully understand that balancing combat is important in games.

2) With the heavy restriction on number of charges usable in a short amount of time, a favored soul has strong incentives to reserve them for combat. If you use them up just getting around, you have no charges left to use in a fight.

3) A FvS who keeps them exclusively for combat will feel minimal impact on their fighting style and effectiveness. Fighting will stay the same after the nerf.

4) If you save the leaps for combat, then you aren't using them out of combat, ie getting around. If you aren't using leaps to get around quickly, everything will take more time.


Conclusion: you're wasting my time. THIS IS NOT COOL. Not only that, you're wasting my time without even achieving the apparent objective of balancing combat.

There are plenty of games I've rejected primarily on the basis that their ratio of fun to walking around was skewed badly in the waste-time-walking direction. It's a horrible business model, and a deal-breaker as far as I'm concerned. Wasting people's time is inconsiderate, no matter how you cut it.
-blarg

[pHo3nix]

Players will adapt to life with limited wings. Some faster than others. Think the best thing to do is just move on, the change is done and no matter of posting is going to revert it back to what it once was: Broken.

Yes, players will adapt, but it doesn't mean it's not a bad move to change after so many time something that people pay for. I wouldn't have bought fvs if i had known that wings were limited.

[Aaxeyu]

when people here say that this nerf has gutted the favored soul class, they're not wrong or over-exaggerating. It really really has.

lol, no.
This change is long overdue.

If the reduced mobility makes FvS unplayable, then every other class has always been unplayable, and that is not really the case now is it?

Get over it.

[pHo3nix]

lol, no.
This change is long overdue.

If the reduced mobility makes FvS unplayable, then every other class has always been unplayable, and that is not really the case now is it?

Get over it.

Not unplayable, just a lot less fun than before. Playing without striders is possible, but i guess i would shot myself in the head if i had to run at normal speed all the day long. Fast = fun, slow = boring

[Teharahma]

Moar drama plz