You're gonna have to pay TP's for Artificer if you want one at U11

[ericrd]

from what malphuntion said the mba's that run the company niether read nor care about whats on the forums.best ideaa would be to get an article published in one of the game/gamenews sites about the erosion of subscrition perks in the free to play mmo model. this would be a valid time for an article like that since many mmos are adopting a f2p model.

[Dirichlet]

The reason why premium players don't see the big problem with a VIP having to buy a class is because it's the model they are accustomed to.

I realise you're responding to a specific poster there, but I just wanted to chime in and say this. I'm premium, but I totally understand why VIPs are upset about this. I'm with you guys 100%.

[Cetus]

I'm sorry Turbine, but this is a load of bull**it. So, if I want to get my completionist feat back, I am REQUIRED to dish out turbine points just so I can play the friggin class as a VIP on top of dishing out enough money monthly as it is?

This is just anther slap across the face folks, thanks!

[Matuse]

So, if I want to get my completionist feat back, I am REQUIRED to dish out turbine points just so I can play the friggin class as a VIP on top of dishing out enough money monthly as it is?

No, you are not.

You have 2 choices:
1) You can spend TP to get Artificer now.
2) You can wait for U12 and get Artificer through House C favor.

[Chaos000]

No, you are not.

You have 2 choices:
1) You can spend TP to get Artificer now.
2) You can wait for U12 and get Artificer through House C favor.

Let's add a qualifier: In order to get the completionist feat back during the same update that it is taken away, the person is *then* required to spend TP.

Here's an example. Say a person was VIP and made a couple greensteel items then went premium. Turbine makes a decision to not allow access to adventure pack exclusive items (like greensteel) until the adventure pack is bought and applies it at release. Wouldn't the premium player feel like something's held hostage irregardless of everyone else telling them they could always grind out the turbine points to buy the shroud adventure pack?

[gloopygloop]

As a VIP I receive 500 Turbine points a month as part of my subscription. These points are not free and I should not have to use them to buy content in the game.

HOWEVER, over the last 3 months Turbine has been nice enough to give me 1500 Turbine Points for FREE! I did not pay for these points and no where in the VIP agreement does it state that Turbine is obligated to give me extra points. (though they do it with fair regularity)

These free points are more than enough to buy the Artificer without ever having to touch any of my points that come with the subscription. As a matter of fact, even if the class costs 1000 TP, I'll be 500 TP better off than usual.

Thanks for the BONUS points Turbine. I guess you do care.

How did you get 1500 "free" Turbine points? The VIP summer bonus that I saw looked like everyone who was subscribed through the summer would be getting 1000 "free" Turbine points.

[Chaos000]

How did you get 1500 "free" Turbine points? The VIP summer bonus that I saw looked like everyone who was subscribed through the summer would be getting 1000 "free" Turbine points.

Might have been counting the month before or after the summer bonus where the normal 500 amount was received for subscribing

[Cetus]

No, you are not.

You have 2 choices:
1) You can spend TP to get Artificer now.
2) You can wait for U12 and get Artificer through House C favor.

Don't start with semantics. You know exactly what I mean.

Your first point illustrates exactly what I'm complaining about, your second point was completely useless and irrelevant- its more logical to reacquire the feat sooner rather than later- especially within an unknown timeframe such as 'ohh....when U12 hits..."

[eviltikiman]

Does anyone know how much they will cost?

[spitfirek]

Does anyone know how much they will cost?

I would like to know this also.

[Kalari]

We will not know this information till Monday, in fact its policy not to release pricing info until the update is dropped from what Ive been told. sorry guys.

[smeggy1384]

We will not know this information till Monday, in fact its policy not to release pricing info until the update is dropped from what Ive been told. sorry guys.

Don't forget the policy of dropping price after 50% of the players have bought the item in question too! Bet its a high price up front, then few days later dirt cheap.

[eviltikiman]

Well if i was to guess at what their pricing would be (just for the sake of conversation) mid to high 1000+ for launch and than brought down to the mid 900s after a while.

[Calonderial]

*OMG*
Guess what We VIP pay money every month, we also Buy Tp's for the fun stuff , supporting a game that was probably going under 2 or so years ago, when they brought out f2p and Premium. They literally gave the game for free so peeps would play and buy Tp's to make them money to stay afloat and keep this game alive. I was premium and went to VIP a few months afterwards to take advantages of the perks to VIP (which seem to dissappear with each and every update). I don't mind f2p or premium, everyone has their priorities and way to pay and but seriously why (french word for seal <- sounds like 4 letter improper slang starting with F ) around with the ones paying you garantied monthly income?

For those who are griping about VIP's wanting their perks (I won't get into the FVS/DROW discussion cause it's moot) I would like to know how many of you are VIP? (0%??) If you are VIP you have a valid statement, although I can't fathom wanting to pay for another class which should be included BUT if you are not VIP I suggest you try paying per month and then realise they care no more about you than the piece of Karp stuck to bottom their shoe), see if your opinion stays the same about paying for content that should be included.

Also as was stated VIP pay upwards of $ 180 a year to play, where as buying all the content, hard elite unlocks when needed, etc come to about 1 years VIP subscription when buying tp on sale, and that is for as long as you play as a Premium member. I think VIP need a little consideration here.

Any how here are a few suggestions

They should either:
a) Drop artificier until they have enough favor available to unlock.
b) Make it free to VIP, TP for everyone else like most other content, until there is enough favor to be able to grind for it for everyone then bring the class back to favor or Tp aquisition.
c) Make it available at the STORE for everyone day one! F2P pay full price, Premium get (50% discount), VIP Pay 1 Token TP so tubine can say they made everyone pay and pat themselves on the back.

Personally I like (C) myself

My 2 cents and bring on the neg rep ... lol

/signed

[Calonderial]

Noone who dabbles in trapfinding will be any good in DDO either.

They have to spend 4 skill points each level to keep Search and Disable up. That is not a small investment for any class. Often such builds have to bump their int substantially in order to even get those skillpoints to spend them at all.



Blatant lies will really not get you anywhere. On the day DDO launched and people started paying the subscription cost, there were FAR more than 5 quests available. Hell, when it launched, you had to do more than 5 quests just to leave the first corner of the harbor (what is the Inspired Quarter now). Then another 4 to enter the marketplace so you could do something really revolutionary, like...visit the bank!

ROFLMAO, aah but those were good times when one HAD to do WW to get MP access