You're gonna have to pay TP's for Artificer if you want one at U11

[zorander6]

I'm not surprised. I probably won't buy it but the wife probably will. Fortunately she's been saving her TP. The only thing I like about the class is the pet but that's not enough for me to pay for it. Once it goes favor based we might have characters in range to unlock it.

*shrugs* I think VIP should get it as well but honestly didn't expect it.

[Igrovin]

I'm not a VIP, but personally.. I'd say VIPs really should get it too.

As for me, I'm just going to use TP to buy it.

[Burradin]

5 years of paying my subscription, you can go to $$$$ if you think I am going to pay for Artificers. If this is how Fernando and his team thinks his loyal players should be treated, maybe we need to start a petition to get rid of him. See if you like us bending you over like you are us.

[blkcat1028]

Druids in 2012 better **** well be free or at least a favor unlock that is actually achievable at launch.

That's all I am asking for with Artificer. As a ViP with several toons with 3500+ favor, I would expect to be able to unlock it at launch just like favored soul, or at least knock out some new House C favor and rock the Artificer. You EARN it in game. Waiting months for U12 - it's not like there a schedule you know - is NOT acceptable as a subscriber. It's just that simple.

Don't get your hopes up, Mate. Druids will = big dollars in sales for Turbine. I will be absolutely shocked if Druids are not TP only.

I have no problem with how the Artie is being released. (I'm VIP) I expected it to be purchase only.

I'll probably buy it anyway. More money in Turbines pocket just means the game will survive a little while longer.

Peace

[sigtrent]

I don't like this call, I knew the moment I heard it some folks would be up in arms about it. Design wise it makes sense that Canith favor would unlock the class, but making it unavailable when the class comes out... not a good call in my opinion, at least not long term.

I'll be straight up buying it, and as a VIP I'm not personally all that annoyed. I've got points and the 1K points we've gotten for a couple months have been nice. I'll easily get my money's worth in points and its nice to unlock on all servers.

But... I can totally see why others would be pretty well annoyed and feel like they are being strong armed into paying for something they would otherwise get for free. If you are budget minded, then waiting 3 or more months for a new toy while others play for it will suck a lot of the fun out of the thing and leave you feeling cheated.

[blkcat1028]

But... I can totally see why others would be pretty well annoyed and feel like they are being strong armed into paying for something they would otherwise get for free. If you are budget minded, then waiting 3 or more months for a new toy while others play for it will suck a lot of the fun out of the thing and leave you feeling cheated.

I agree with you.

It's an unfortunate decision to release the class without having the favour available to unlock it, but look at it from a business perspective.

Turbine will sell the class to the impatient ones and turn some profit now. As an impatient VIP, I will be buying the class when it comes available.

When the packs come out, the people that prefer to unlock the class by favour will buy the packs. More profit for Turbine.

Profit for Turbine is a good thing. It is in the best interest for all of us DDO addicts for Turbine to be profitable.

More profit = more content = DDO survives and grows = a win for us all

[Burradin]

I agree with you.

It's an unfortunate decision to release the class without having the favour available to unlock it, but look at it from a business perspective.

Turbine will sell the class to the impatient ones and turn some profit now. As an impatient VIP, I will be buying the class when it comes available.

When the packs come out, the people that prefer to unlock the class by favour will buy the packs. More profit for Turbine.

Profit for Turbine is a good thing. It is in the best interest for all of us DDO addicts for Turbine to be profitable.

More profit = more content = DDO survives and grows = a win for us all

How about they take care of those that have supported them all along. We were here when the servers merged because so many had left. We were here when no releases at all were coming out. Yet we were still paying our subs. Now that the hybrid model came and was successful, screw those that supported them all along? After 5 years of playing and telling everyone who would listen what a great game this was, I feel that we are not getting the respect we deserve. As I said above, they are getting no more money out of me for any class or race and they keep this **** up, they will not even get the sub.

[blkcat1028]

How about they take care of those that have supported them all along. We were here when the servers merged because so many had left. We were here when no releases at all were coming out. Yet we were still paying our subs. Now that the hybrid model came and was successful, screw those that supported them all along? After 5 years of playing and telling everyone who would listen what a great game this was, I feel that we are not getting the respect we deserve. As I said above, they are getting no more money out of me for any class or race and they keep this **** up, they will not even get the sub.

Hey, I'm not arguing with you. The long time players certainly deserve some respect.

It's a messed up situation, but I think they're trying to avoid what happened before f2p came in to being.

Subscriptions alone will not keep this game alive. They have to generate income from the sale of classes and packs.

I would be in favour of any player who has had a continuous subscription for 3 years or more to get the artificer for free or at least for a deep discount. I also think it would be a nice bone to throw to the "old dogs" who've been here through the rough times.

I've not been playing that long, so I wouldn't qualify for the "Old Dog Discount" (just saying )

edit: Burradin got me thinking... they should give a 10% discount for every 6 months of continuous VIP status. That way if you, like Burradin, have been a long time subscriber you'd get a good discount on the class or get it for free if you've been here since the beginning.

[fandutian]

Hey, I'm not arguing with you. The long time players certainly deserve some respect.

It's a messed up situation, but I think they're trying to avoid what happened before f2p came in to being.

Subscriptions alone will not keep this game alive. They have to generate income from the sale of classes and packs.

I would be in favour of any player who has had a continuous subscription for 3 years or more to get the artificer for free or at least for a deep discount. I also think it would be a nice bone to throw to the "old dogs" who've been here through the rough times.

I've not been playing that long, so I wouldn't qualify for the "Old Dog Discount" (just saying )

edit: Burradin got me thinking... they should give a 10% discount for every 6 months of continuous VIP status. That way if you, like Burradin, have been a long time subscriber you'd get a good discount on the class or get it for free if you've been here since the beginning.

really doubt it.. there are many games such as guild war which only charge one time 50$ and make good money out of it.. really i think most people.. even perium spend more then 100$ on this games..

the problem is that most people do not have every pack, so it make finding team more or less hard.. unless someone wiling to give a pass which is unlikely to happen most of the time.

[TheRealest]

How about they take care of those that have supported them all along.

Really dont understand when i keep hearing about turbines 'loyal players'.I see how you can feel shafted with this but you act like they owe you something because you've been here a long time. Now that the ddostore is here if you're not satisfied with the content you're getting for your sub shift to a premium payment model. Then you wont complain about not gettting enough for your money, because you can choose exactly what you want and how much you want to spend.


As for myself I'll keep paying my monthy sub.

[FengXian]

I'm definitely with VIPs on this one, altho I'm premium. At least make it available to VIPs with 3k favor/50 cannith favor and to everyone else with 75 cannith favor. So non-VIPs will have to wait update 12 while VIPs will be able to get it on day 1...

[Burradin]

Really dont understand when i keep hearing about turbines 'loyal players'.I see how you can feel shafted with this but you act like they owe you something because you've been here a long time. Now that the ddostore is here if you're not satisfied with the content you're getting for your sub shift to a premium payment model. Then you wont complain about not getting enough for your money, because you can choose exactly what you want and how much you want to spend.


As for myself I'll keep paying my monthy sub.

You sound like Turbine. Switch to premium and pay MORE!!!!! I almost run nothing but Epic Content with some regular raids thrown in, so you want me to go spend all the TP to buy all the packs so I can continue that. That would be a NO! Let's think about this, lets see, I have been a sub, without ever dropping for 5+ years. I currently pay $59.96 per 6 months, so round to $60 and that is $120 per year times 5 years is $600 I have spent to play this game. Next, the first 2 years were actually $14.95 per month, so lets add another $120 to that. Add in the couple times I have bought the TP packs for TR tokens and XP pots and we are approaching $1000. You are right I expect to get taken care of. And I have spent less that a lot of others so yes, Turbine is ripping us off if they do this. I have seen tweets/Google+ posts by many well known players of DDO stating the same things. Turbine, this is a Hugh mistake on your part.

[chyribdus]

have to throw my 2 cents onto not happy with my VIP status right now due to things like this. for my opinion i'm paying money each month so that i get full access instead of doing micro-transactions, but i'm actually considering if it would be smarter to just buy tp with my monthly money instead. then i could buy quests when they're on sale... which i can't do as a vip even though i have tp available. i feel like i'm being punished and i actually can't think of any reason other than i'm lazy and don't want to save tp for several months that i'm still VIP.

Do the math in full. VIP's who are on the 3 month payment pay $180 (all numbers rounded to the nearest dollar and in US$). If you use this same money when they do the major turbine point sales ($100 packages for 15000 points), then you will get roughly 22,000 TP. This is MORE than enough to buy all races, classes, and adventure packs if you watch for them all to be on sale. Granted, it's a matter of having to wait until they are on sale, but, what you pay in a year is more than a premium player needs to pay in their entire account life.

With the change to TR toons (which I am ALL for), i'm hearing a ton of ranting. Am I to understand that you dont think that people should be able to EARN what you pay for? It isnt a RIGHT but a PRIVILEDGE to be able to open quests on hard/elite on the first run through. Just because you choose to pay for that priviledge where as I choose to earn it doesnt mean that you or I deserve it any more or less. You dont have to grind out quest after quest and life after life to get the reward. It's just handed to you.

As for the Artificer class being "favor based", this is complete BS. It is not favor based until the favor required is attainable. Might I suggest checking the terms of service to see if this is a breach of contract on THEIR end.

[kendo]

True we dont get it free but we had immediate access to both of those classes to begin with have a realistc favor goal and alot of people have toons well over 3000 favor would it have been so hard to make it a 3000 favor unlock.
So yes access should be allowed right off the bat sure makeit a challange and say you need this much favor but do not tie the favor to a specific house leave it to over all favor.

and a lot of VIPs don't have 3000 favor. so the playing field should be level for all VIPs.

[Crystalizer]

from what i read artificers don't seem to worth it anyway

[Cyr]

So with all the missing places they could have stuck a favor reward they stuck artificers at a place which is not achievable in game upon release.

Got to say if you pay a monthly sub you should actually get everything that is available as a permanent account option as part of that sub no if and or buts about it. Oh and I am a premium player who will never pay a monthly sub again.

Oh and for me personally it's great that I don't have to spend any TP on artificers as I have no issues waiting 3-4 months for the new pack to release. It's not like I will not be busy getting xp for one of my many many TRs or running epics and the new stuff.

[Lazarus8]

You actually have to pay for a class *gasp* It's almost like this is a company and they are trying to make money.

*OMG*
Guess what We VIP pay money every month, we also Buy Tp's for the fun stuff , supporting a game that was probably going under 2 or so years ago, when they brought out f2p and Premium. They literally gave the game for free so peeps would play and buy Tp's to make them money to stay afloat and keep this game alive. I was premium and went to VIP a few months afterwards to take advantages of the perks to VIP (which seem to dissappear with each and every update). I don't mind f2p or premium, everyone has their priorities and way to pay and but seriously why (french word for seal <- sounds like 4 letter improper slang starting with F ) around with the ones paying you garantied monthly income?

For those who are griping about VIP's wanting their perks (I won't get into the FVS/DROW discussion cause it's moot) I would like to know how many of you are VIP? (0%??) If you are VIP you have a valid statement, although I can't fathom wanting to pay for another class which should be included BUT if you are not VIP I suggest you try paying per month and then realise they care no more about you than the piece of Karp stuck to bottom their shoe), see if your opinion stays the same about paying for content that should be included.

Also as was stated VIP pay upwards of $ 180 a year to play, where as buying all the content, hard elite unlocks when needed, etc come to about 1 years VIP subscription when buying tp on sale, and that is for as long as you play as a Premium member. I think VIP need a little consideration here.

Any how here are a few suggestions

They should either:
a) Drop artificier until they have enough favor available to unlock.
b) Make it free to VIP, TP for everyone else like most other content, until there is enough favor to be able to grind for it for everyone then bring the class back to favor or Tp aquisition.
c) Make it available at the STORE for everyone day one! F2P pay full price, Premium get (50% discount), VIP Pay 1 Token TP so tubine can say they made everyone pay and pat themselves on the back.

Personally I like (C) myself

My 2 cents and bring on the neg rep ... lol

[Callavan]

For those who are griping about VIP's wanting their perks (I won't get into the FVS/DROW discussion cause it's moot) I would like to know how many of you are VIP? (0%??) If you are VIP you have a valid statement, although I can't fathom wanting to pay for another class which should be included BUT if you are not VIP I suggest you try paying per month and then realise they care no more about you than the piece of Karp stuck to bottom their shoe), see if your opinion stays the same about paying for content that should be included.

Yeah, stop and think about that for a moment. Zero percent of your hypothetical demographic there are VIPs. Probably for good reason.

Those "griping about VIPs wanting their perks" probably already did the math and realized from the word 'go' that VIP wasn't the better deal. They're probably laughing at the VIPs who are now griping because the VIPs have the same choice over which payment method to use and they made that choice. The same choice was presented either way. I, for one, considered paying every month as you suggest and rejected the idea, largely for reasons we are now seeing many VIPs gripe about.

Bottom line: we don't have to try paying monthly. There are already reasons we chose not to. We apparently just saw them a lot earlier than many of the currently griping VIPs did. So yes, I agree, VIP status needs better value if they're going to call it VIP. That's why I went Premium. Still not regretting that decision.

/lawlz

[Grosbeak07]

Boo Turbine. Boo.

[Postumus]

As a VIP I feel like I'm supposed to be annoyed by this, but since I just can't muster up the enthusiasm for the Arti class I honestly don't care that it isn't immediately available to VIPs.


It would be more of an issue for me if the new content wasn't available immediately.