Memnir @ PAX: A Report with Artificer Info

[Hokiewa]

Another debacle....yay!

[joneb1999]

Yup! The plan is to get out U12 by the end of the year.

By the same time Star Wars Old Republic is launched maybe? No offence Cordovan but simple plain facts are DDO plays in two different markets. I'm interested in how many subscribers who cant afford to buy content and don't want to be excluded from content in the game they play may sub to STOR and drop their Turbine sub, then lose interest in DDO as they are excluded from content.

[Drakos]

All because you can buy arty a few months before unlocking it with favor?

Becuase Turbine makes these games for free. No money to make them. *rolls eyes*

But they are getting money, at least from me and the other VIP's it is guarenteed each month. So I agree no money makes them roll their eyes, but fortunatly for me I'm not in that category.

[mudfud]

Maybe. And I'll be honest - I had some misgivings about posting this.

But, he knew exactly who I was. I introduced myself and mentioned my forum name. He knew my forum name. So, he had to have known that by telling me that the forum at-large would know soon after. I am vocal about what I like and what I dislike - and I've given my reports from PAX every year I've gone.

If he had at any point ever said anything along the lines of he was telling me in confidence, or if he'd asked me to keep it to myself until they could make a more formal announcement I absolutely would have. However, he didn't and this news was surprising to me - and I knew it'd be surprising to many here as well. I figured that it would be the kind of thing I'd like to be told about if somebody else was given the same information I was given. So, I felt it was the right thing to do to pass it along.


Besides - they had to have known that this would cause a tumult amongst the players. Had to. Better maybe for the news to come out now and from one of the "regular folks" then to have it be broken last-minute in a TenTon Hammer article. I figure those who are upset by this arrangement would have been even more so if we had to learn it from a third-party site. I would have been, anyways.


I really hope he does not regret telling me too much. I really struggled with the choice to share this - but my loyalty to the community won out in the end. If he wants to be angry or upset with me because of it - I'll stand by my choice. It was the right thing to do in this case.

I can imagine if I was there an Fernando would have told me this, I would have been upset when I first heard this. Did you ask him for further details of the why they were doing it like that or ?

[Hokiewa]

By the same time Star Wars Old Republic is launched maybe? No offence Cordovan but simple plain facts are DDO plays in two different markets. I'm interested in how many subscribers who cant afford to buy content and don't want to be excluded from content in the game they play may sub to STOR and drop their Turbine sub, then lose interest in DDO as they are excluded from content.

I'm more interested in seeing how many subs say enough. There's enough rumbling among the people I know in game. Not quantitative by any means but more then I've seen on any issue since launch. Could just be the rapid fire nature of the latest controversial plans (wings, crafting feats, artis) etc..Bring the chaos!

[Jackal912]

I'm surprised so many people are making such a big deal about this - if they set the favor requirement to 3000 or 4000 or take your pick, it would be so incredibly out of reach that maybe 0.1% of the player base could expect to ever get it without months and months and months of grueling, unpleasant labor - when Favored Soul came out, it was practically the same deal. People are crying over what is essentially them being more upfront and honest - you're going to have to pay for it anyway if you're 99% of the player base that hasn't already grinded to 3000+ favor, and if that player base wants to grind it out, it'll take until far after u12 for them to get.

If anything, the eventual reward of artificer at a pathetically small 150 favor is almost giving it away for free in u12 - 150 favor is nothing.

I'm GLAD that I only have to wait a month or two for 150 favor instead of being forced to do the most unpleasant pointless grind ever to hit 3000 favor, that would probably take me much longer than two months anyway!. I also understand that turbine is in this to make money. As far as the VIP thing goes - as a VIP myself, I don't really care - I have more than enough VIP points, and it's not like I'm spending them on much anyway at this point. If artificer ends up being released in a useful state (it's fluctuating wildly on lammania), I might end up buying it early - Otherwise, I might wait until u12 anyway just for the inevitable bugfixes and rebalancing.

[jjflanigan]

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[Tomalon]

Hey VIPs here's a big "T"you, for paying your monthly sub we are gonna let you pay more for the new class. Isn't that cool of us!!!












Now sub the "T" for an "F" and you get my real meaning

[Lifespawn]

I'm surprised so many people are making such a big deal about this - if they set the favor requirement to 3000 or 4000 or take your pick, it would be so incredibly out of reach that maybe 0.1% of the player base could expect to ever get it without months and months and months of grueling, unpleasant labor - when Favored Soul came out, it was practically the same deal. People are crying over what is essentially them being more upfront and honest - you're going to have to pay for it anyway if you're 99% of the player base that hasn't already grinded to 3000+ favor, and if that player base wants to grind it out, it'll take until far after u12 for them to get.

If anything, the eventual reward of artificer at a pathetically small 150 favor is almost giving it away for free in u12 - 150 favor is nothing.

I'm GLAD that I only have to wait a month or two for 150 favor instead of being forced to do the most unpleasant pointless grind ever to hit 3000 favor, that would probably take me much longer than two months anyway!. I also understand that turbine is in this to make money. As far as the VIP thing goes - as a VIP myself, I don't really care - I have more than enough VIP points, and it's not like I'm spending them on much anyway at this point. If artificer ends up being released in a useful state (it's fluctuating wildly on lammania), I might end up buying it early - Otherwise, I might wait until u12 anyway just for the inevitable bugfixes and rebalancing.

Do you have any clue how many OCD people play this game?


I have a guildy that has his "favor" toon go back to all the lowbie explorers as they come out and completes them just so they are not open in his adventure book i have at least 7-8 guildies that always get max favor as soon as it's available i'm 100% sure they are not the only ones.

I'm not a big favor person and would have just bought it like i did fvs even tho i was only 300 favor away it's not something i like to do but this releasing with no way to unlock except to pay well thats underhanded.

[BurnerD]

As a 5 year VIP I am disappointed by the decision to not provide a new class as part of the VIP perks.

Two thumbs down Turbine.

[HarveyMilk]

I'm GLAD that I only have to wait a month or two for 150 favor instead of being forced to do the most unpleasant pointless grind ever to hit 3000 favor, that would probably take me much longer than two months anyway!

Another solution is an either-or... 3000 favor or the House C favor when U12 is out. That gives access right away and options. Are you listening devs?

[Gremmlynn]

Another solution is an either-or... 3000 favor or the House C favor when U12 is out. That gives access right away and options. Are you listening devs?

3250, maybe 3500 would be more in line with the favor reward curve as it so far exists (the last two gaps have been 750 each). Franky, I think they are holding that spot for gnomes so as not to have to make them more powerful than the F2P races in order to justify selling the race outright. Easier to sell convenience than power than isn't there.

[cdbd3rd]

Gonna play devil's advocate a second...


VIPs - we've been getting double TPs for a couple months. Probably enough to pay for that class. Coincidence? I'm not debating that earlier communication would've been nice, but when the chaos is wiped off of this whole deal we'll still be getting the class on day 1 for basically free even tho we have to toss some TPs back into the pool.


It may be easier for me to say cuz I'll be buying them anyway to open them up on all servers.

That's where I played my penny, anyhow.

[Myrddinman]

Artificers will not be free to VIPs upon the release of Update 11, although they will be unlockable through favor to people regardless of account type upon the release of Update 12.

This statement reminds of when I was doing my last round of manger interviews for my store. "Please tell me of a time when you had to support an unpopular decision" It always makes them squirm

Sorry you have to deal with this, but it is pretty crappy for most folks and there's some great points in here if you wade through the muck. I myself, don't care and will probably buy Artificer when it first hits live

[Chaos000]

3250, maybe 3500 would be more in line with the favor reward curve as it so far exists (the last two gaps have been 750 each). Franky, I think they are holding that spot for gnomes so as not to have to make them more powerful than the F2P races in order to justify selling the race outright. Easier to sell convenience than power than isn't there.

I did suggested the 3500 unlock already. Still think it's a valid move. Tho if people think that's too easy the current max is at 3767. So... 3800 would mean even people with max favor on the server would have to run the u11 quests to unlock it.

[HarveyMilk]

Maybe 3250 + all U11 House C favor?

[Requiro]

Artificers will not be free to VIPs upon the release of Update 11, although they will be unlockable through favor to people regardless of account type upon the release of Update 12.

I'm not VIP.

But this situation remind me VAT problem with EU players.

Explanation is quite simple:

- Before Update 12 come live Artificer is Premium Class (there is no other option then DDO Store), thus should be for free for VIPs
- After Update 12 Artificer become Favor Class (just like FvS), thus should not be free for VIP any more (they need unlock them by Favor or buy by TP)

From my perspective, VIP players have full right to demand what they paid for (Link)

If Turbine do nothing, they lose confidence.

[mons]

I really hope he does not regret telling me too much. I really struggled with the choice to share this - but my loyalty to the community won out in the end. If he wants to be angry or upset with me because of it - I'll stand by my choice. It was the right thing to do in this case.

If only Turbine/Warner Bros had such morales as yourself.

[Lifespawn]

Gonna play devil's advocate a second...


VIPs - we've been getting double TPs for a couple months. Probably enough to pay for that class. Coincidence? I'm not debating that earlier communication would've been nice, but when the chaos is wiped off of this whole deal we'll still be getting the class on day 1 for basically free even tho we have to toss some TPs back into the pool.


It may be easier for me to say cuz I'll be buying them anyway to open them up on all servers.

That's where I played my penny, anyhow.

again IF they had said this beforehand there wouldn't be such a big outcry

[Ashimere]

I have been a VIP for about a year and a half but stopped being a VIP about 2 months ago because I wanted something new. I just started back up a week ago in a 3 month for 29.99 deal thinking that I would play the new class and the new quest when it opens up. To be honest if its not there on release date I may play some but most probably end my VIP subscription and go find something else to do.

Have a great day!