Alchemical Crafting T3 Results and Discussion

[Shade]

Beat Lord of Blades and MA on epic today. Kookie hooked us up with some crafting ingredients including the missing stuff.. So several of us crafted some stuff.

It's pretty much like slightly enhanced GS DPS wise.. But it's way easier to make it all bypass DR, since every weapon can get any material type, righteous (for fire), and even a red slot.



Unslotted:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1685/tier3q.jpg

Note the bugged graphic (particles are detached from the weapon, Greatsword suffers the same issue).. Kookie says its a known issue.

So yea it looks pretty nuts.. And it is in some ways.. But yea, tier3 will take quite a few runs to do, so not a lot of ppl will be running around with them too soon.. Tho its steady grinding, every run of LoB gets you a 100% chance at shards, and a high chance at spirits.. So it's not like GS, less luck involved. I imagine tons of these will be floating around in a month or so..

I'd actually recomend moving some of the crazier stuff to tier3 and massively upping the cost.. Seems almost lower then T3 GS atm.

And challenge wise, while LoB is quit tough on elite, MA imo doesn't scale much other then hitpoints...And really qyute trivial on normal once the strategies are learned in a balanced grp... And while you do seem to need possibly 1 or 2 runs on hard, and 1 run on elite LoB to get higher quality spirits.. You can otherwise run only normal to get a tier3. (well except the 10 dungeon tokens, which u can run something real easy like snitch to get..)

Course power cell drop rate/cost is sitl unknown.

Got some other pics im working on converting. stay tuned.

[Crankymonky]

Earth/Earth/Fire

Disintegrate is extremely potent, hitting in the 450-650 range so far with quite a high proc rate.

[Asmodeus451]

haven't done any of the raids myself, RL stuuf getting in the way

so what i'm getting here is that this is essentially a more powerful and more complicated version of greensteel basically.

please correct me if i am wrong

[Gimpinator]

Would be nice if we could pick the +2 exceptional stat. DC's need to be raised. Otherwise, they are useful for some (monks) and practically worthless to others. The grind looks to be intensive.

EDIT: Or just make the animations unique and awesome. The skins are meh except for the Khopesh, which is sexilicious.

[shortdevils]

Can someone test handwraps....pleaaaaaaze

[TheDearLeader]

The skins are meh except for the Khopesh, which is sexilicious.

Screenshot, or link, please? Haven't seen it yet.

[Aerendil]

EDIT: Or just make the animations unique and awesome. The skins are meh except for the Khopesh, which is sexilicious.

Yeah, pictures please.

[Unreliable]

hooray for upcoming shroud large price deflation

[grodon9999]

These are so over-powered they almost look like a joke. Did Turbine hire a bunch of 10 year-olds to work as game-balance consultants?

[Unreliable]

These are so over-powered they almost look like a joke. Did Turbine hire a bunch of 10 year-olds to work as game-balance consultants?

When you look at the power of GS at level 12 vs the power of these at level 20 its about right honestly..

Yeah they are more powerfull then GS, but again, its ML18/20...

[grodon9999]

When you look at the power of GS at level 12 vs the power of these at level 20 its about right honestly..

Yeah they are more powerfull then GS, but again, its ML18/20...

Wait . . . are you rationalizing this by saying Green Steel is APPROPRIATELY powered for level 12?

[sirgog]

My gut thought - if you have the resources to buy Red Augment Crystals of Metallic Edges, the best overall bet for pure THF DPS is a Fire/Air/Air falchion on a Flametouched Iron base. (Fire/Air/Water or Fire/Air/Earth if you want to optimise for the Cojoined Abashai Devastator).

T2 Air is so far ahead of the other options - 6% Doublestrike (~20-25 DPS) and Lightning Strike (~18-20 DPS) that it's not funny.

Of course, if you want to optimize for utility over DPS - there's lots of good options there too. T1 Earth and Air both have potential.

[Seikojin]

OP based on random drops?

[Shade]

haven't done any of the raids myself, RL stuuf getting in the way

so what i'm getting here is that this is essentially a more powerful and more complicated version of greensteel basically.

please correct me if i am wrong

Far less complicated actaully.

Less recipes, barter system.. So pretty much ~2 click crafting.. Versus greensteels painful 100+ click approach.

I much prefer it actaully.. tho I did kind of like the discoveryr process of greensteel. Would rather the recipes just said "tier1 martial fire upgrade" "adds mysterious effects"
or tier1 mystical.. etc.. And the effects could be as now, just hidden and need some experimentation.

Basic process is:
1. Run MA - Get a blank, droprates ultra high, so its easy.
2. Run LoB a LOT - Get ~30-60 binding khyber frags per go. You need 200 per tier, thus 600 for tier3.. Or ~10-20 runs total. Also collect 3 Spirits too. Khyber frags are 100% drop, but random amount. Spirits are random chance, and a fairly complex mechanic involving a post raid optional to get them.
3. Also run explorer area, collect some random ****.. Doesn't take long.
4. In explorer area, make 3 ingots outa the random ****.
5. In MA Area ,or MA raid.. Combine 3 ingots + power cell + weapon to make BTA weapon of X material. (Yes you MUST add a material type to continue)
6. In same altar, also make Empty Khybershard. There are 3 tiers of empty khybershard.
7. In LoB area/raid altar: Fill empty shard with spirt of choice.
8. Same altar: Filled shard of X + Weapon = T1. Filled Refined shard of X + t1 weapon = t2. Filled Exquisit shard of X + 10 epic dungeon tokens + t2 weapon = T3 weapon.
9. Opitonal: Fill your red slot.

[SillyWallaby]

Do we know where power cells drop? I think that was the only missing component. Blanks from MA, spirits and shards from LoB.

I take it normal/refined/exquisite shards & spirits drop on normal/hard/elite, or do hard/elite have a higher chance than normal(which can drop all) to drop them?

[TheDearLeader]

Do we know where power cells drop? I think that was the only missing component. Blanks from MA, spirits and shards from LoB.

I take it normal/refined/exquisite shards & spirits drop on normal/hard/elite, or do hard/elite have a higher chance than normal(which can drop all) to drop them?

Did I see it in a Screenshot about Cannith Favor, perhaps? Edit - Guess not! Read below.

[Shade]

Power cells do not drop in the game atm, and yea are required for almost every step. (tho just 1 per step)

Torc says they will be in the next patch. Which may be tomorow if all goes well.

(We got tons because kookie kindly spawned them for us after beating Epic LoB)

So yea i might have a few spare cells if people are in need.. They are unbound. I can mail em. Think i only have lots of basic ones, and a few martial. There are 5 diferent cells:
Lesser
Basic (no prefix)
Greater
Martial (melee effects)
Mystical (magic effects)

[Gimpinator]

Pew pew pew!

[TheDearLeader]

Pew pew pew!

That is a freaky looking Khopesh skin..

[waterboytkd]

These are so over-powered they almost look like a joke. Did Turbine hire a bunch of 10 year-olds to work as game-balance consultants?

Really? You think they're that OP? They're only a few points ahead of lit2 or crafted greater banes. I mean, if we can't get something better than those, then we'd complain about the lack of new loot. Actually, I think the devs did an excellent job of upping the power raw dps-wise just slightly, but putting enough other goodies on these weapons to keep them worth grinding for (things like 6% doublestrike, or the immobilizing procs; things that do up the dps even more, but in a harder to calculate way). And I am considering the metal types they can get as an extra goody, as that onlt ups them dps-wise versus certain boss mobs.

But, I would like to hear an in-depth defense on why you think they are OP. Unless, your argument is that gs is OP and these are better, so super OP. The problem wih that argument is that OP is a relative term. And when talking about weapons, it's relative to both other weapons, other buils (like casters), and the mobs we use them on. I have a hard time believing that these weapons will triviliaze epic content in any significant way, and against bosses, it's iust gonna be a couple extra points of damage per swing, if that (which i would not call OP). Really, to me, these weapons are designed to level the caster-melee playing field with respect to trash mobs more than anything else. And compare a melee with these weapons to caster. Think you're still OP?