Explain this to me...

[Ebonrook]

I'm fairly new to the MMO version of DnD, only a couple of months in. I'm tempted to just ascribe this to general min/maxer MMO-mania but maybe there's some sense to it I am not seeing:

Ran Sands yesterday with a full PuG - had an awesome cleric on the team with a splash of fighter - healing left and right and always right up there with the melee - I think he was 11/1 Cleric/Fighter but I might be a lvl off. I know he only had one level of fighter. Point is: he was on top of things the whole while.

Somewhat later, I get picked up by a different team that wants to run Invaders on hard. We have one slot left and the leader wants a "healer"... I had friended this guy so I suggested inviting him and the leader does. Cleric joins us, "Omw...", etc.

So we're about to enter when the leader says "Battle Clerics suck" and *pop* the cleric is booted from the team.

Please explain what happened here. I may not know DDO as well as I know the core rules, but it seems like the leader shot us in the foot. We ended up with a "pure" cleric who ran out of spell points repeatedly.

[Cauthey]

There are some extremely narrow minded individuals that hold much prejudice against certain types of character builds. The person leading your group appears to have been one of those individuals.

[tkscience]

Absolutely no explanation asides from a bad experience with battle clerics, or believes what some people say on the forums.

A good player is far more valuable than any particular build.

Make a special note of the leader, and move on.

[Adrian99]

A good player is far more valuable than any particular build.

This is probably the single most important thing to understand about grouping. For 99% of quests, nothing in DDO will ever be as powerful as knowledge of the game, the playstyle suited to your build, and the particulars of the quest you're running. The class split and gear layout are a very distant 2nd and 3rd when determining the likelihood of a smooth completion. There is a tendency for new players to fail in taking this fact into consideration.

[karnokvolrath]

A good player is far more valuable than any particular build.

+1 The answer is simple as this.

[vraelliott]

Had I been the one who gave that recommendation, and that had happened to my friend, I probably would have dropped group, and, depending on how I felt at the moment, I may or may not have commented. Remember the leader's name and don't join their groups in the future.

Good luck with the game, we're not all jerks.

[Calebro]

So we're about to enter when the leader says "Battle Clerics suck" and *pop* the cleric is booted from the team.

My response would have been this:

"Leaders who need a healbot suck" and *pop* I drop group.

[somenewnoob]

My response would have been this:

"Leaders who need a healbot suck" and *pop* I drop group.

This!

[Rauven]

My response would have been this:

"Leaders who need a healbot suck" and *pop* I drop group.

This!

You forgot /squelch add [player name] and move on.

Note, I am being facetious with a healthy dose of sarcasm.

[Ebonrook]

My response would have been this:

"Leaders who need a healbot suck" and *pop* I drop group.

Win. If only I could travel back in time.

Thanks for the replies guys, good to know this isn't a universal trend in the game.

[Bobthesponge]

Win. If only I could travel back in time...

... I would do much better in the lottery.

[Gkar]

My response would have been this:

"Leaders who need a healbot suck" and *pop* I drop group.

Yeah, I'm with you there

[Qindark]

My response would have been this:

"Leaders who need a healbot suck" and *pop* I drop group.

fer sure...win on this one.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

My response would have been this:

"Leaders who need a healbot suck" and *pop* I drop group.

Yep!

(although I probably just would have said Thx and dropped, or dropped without a word...)

Just about the only time I leave a group is when they boot someone for no good reason.
Add to it that you had befriended the guy....I would have definately left!

[DeafeningWhisper]

I once got refused on my 18 Cleric 1 Ftr for VoN5 on norm, VoN6 to be decided by group. Reason? Battle-Clerics don't heal, forget the fact I carry Superior Devotion VI and had 34 wis, with only 20 str no way I can heal an easy raid like that...

There are some players that don't accept splashes either, my 9 Bard/2 Ftr/2 Rog got denied for Eyes of Stone, thou my friend's pure Monk lvl 11 under-geared got in no problem. My bard has eaten +2 dex/con/str tomes, carries improved false life, +6 con item, Minos Legend, +6 str item, 5 Divine Power Clickies, 25% striding, Stormsinger Cloak, Crimson Chain and 2 Rocksplitters of Maiming yet he wasn't "good enough" for this leader. Also my IC add +6 to attack +7 to damage for the whole party.

[Hajutze]

1. Stay in the party
2. Wait almost until the end of the quest
3. Recall
- Re-enter
4. Repeat pt 3 as much as you can
5. Revenge is best served on cold plate

[Ebonrook]

1. Stay in the party
2. Wait almost until the end of the quest
3. Recall
- Re-enter
4. Repeat pt 3 as much as you can
5. Revenge is best served on cold plate

I am both ashamed and thrilled to say I did this last week... was on a team run by a guy who, for some reason, wanted to farm the Goldstone Manor quest over and over... easy xp I guess. At one point he invites a 6th, a low lvl sorc, and the sorc, after a moment, says "I've never run this chain before... who do I speak to to get it started?"

Next thing I see is "[Player] has been booted from the party" and the leader saying "I'm tired of helping noobs."

So I quietly exited and re-entered the quest four times then dropped.

You should have seen the PM I got from that guy.

Anyway, led the sorc through the quest chain... had a great time and now another player knows some more content.

[eonfreon]

I am both ashamed and thrilled to say I did this last week... was on a team run by a guy who, for some reason, wanted to farm the Goldstone Manor quest over and over... easy xp I guess. At one point he invites a 6th, a low lvl sorc, and the sorc, after a moment, says "I've never run this chain before... who do I speak to to get it started?"

Next thing I see is "[Player] has been booted from the party" and the leader saying "I'm tired of helping noobs."

So I quietly exited and re-entered the quest four times then dropped.

You should have seen the PM I got from that guy.

Anyway, led the sorc through the quest chain... had a great time and now another player knows some more content.

You know you also screwed the other people in the party right?
Were they also responsible for what the leader did?

[vraelliott]

1. Stay in the party
2. Wait almost until the end of the quest
3. Recall
- Re-enter
4. Repeat pt 3 as much as you can
5. Revenge is best served on cold plate

No reason to punish the other party members because the leader's an idiot...but tempting... very tempting.

[Aragorn41]

Sounds like a bad leader with a very big chip on his shoulder....solution: /squelch...but did like the idea of exiting and re-entering, but i'm just not that mean lol

As my for running my pure 18 cleric, well i probably tend to run him as a battle cleric....pop sup ardor clickie, pop aura, grab scimitar and start slaying anything in my path...stop to heal me or others as needed, then more slaying!!!

Point is a cleric can do many things at once..using them any other way seems a waste to me.

His Bio reads: Come with me if you want to live! LOL