Wings wings wings: A Discussion

[aiastelmon]

As a FvS main, I hate to say this, but the simple fix to all of this is making the DoT not stack. It doesn't make much sense that it stacked in the first place.

[Pewf]

I've been reading a lot about Wings getting a nerf because of kiting...

Once I got Blade Barrior at Level 12, I was kiting without Leap of Faith. What did I have? Haste Pots/Clickies and a couple of Risia Jellies - Which I told myself to only eat in emergencies... Many say Wings have been around 2 years and to be honest it's the core reason I bought the FvS for the Spammable Wings...

I just don't see how Wings can cause so much havoc to call down the nerf bat... I can understand winging to safe spots, but is that our fault?

[Retsam]

eh.. just completely gut the wings, allow it to be a fly type mechanic, but it costs 20 sp activate, 15 sp per 2 seconds in the air, 30 second cool down AFTER the ability is disabled. disables all SP heal mechanics during flight and cool down (conc op/torc/int yugo pot/SP pots) so unlimited flight is impossible.

If there is still some way to exploit just flying high turning off the ability then reactivating give a heavy gravity type debuff that bypasses feather fall but doesn't cause fall damage after the ability is turned off.

so.. a favored soul with 2880 SP, would be able to sustain 6 minutes in the air, assuming they did not cast any spells.

now for special quests like the Reaver's fate.. make it so the "fly lever" needs the Reaver to have lit all the skulls before it can be pulled (i.e. a barrier that is controlled via a quest objective of all skulls spinning.. or just the lever is locked until then)

Or how about the abbot?.. in the puzzle rooms, add a debuff that disables flight

probably a terrible idea.. but /shrug options never hurt

[Rizzyn]

There's no tanking in Shroud.

Beside the point. There is near constant Melee DPS for Harry, in all the Raids I've Healed or helped to Heal. Which is to say, no Kiting, no sidelining of DPS. I've not been asked to WingKite HoX either, or VoD, if that is more to the point, even after the puppies have done their damage or after the exploding bats.

[Chai]

There's no tanking in Shroud.

There is, its called tank by committee. The point is the only people wing kiting are the soloers. There are quite a few accomplishment threads where after giving congarats to the person who soloed a raid, I sarcastically stated that they must know full well they are making a pretty clear case for Turbine to nerf you all now, mehehehehehe. Dont say I didnt tell you so, LOL.

[Nines9]

So you essentially nerf s/b tanks, who most healers would rather have tank, via crappy intim/pre. More people are changing their tanks into dps tanks with low healing amp/dr/ac. Because of that fvs' are now tanking/kiting more, via dot/wings, as it's easier to deal with then healing said converted tank. Now we're going to nerf said fvs'.

Totally makes sense.

[Venny]

eh.. just completely gut the wings, allow it to be a fly type mechanic, but it costs 20 sp activate, 15 sp per 2 seconds in the air, 30 second cool down AFTER the ability is disabled. disables all SP heal mechanics during flight and cool down (conc op/torc/int yugo pot/SP pots) so unlimited flight is impossible.

If there is still some way to exploit just flying high turning off the ability then reactivating give a heavy gravity type debuff that bypasses feather fall but doesn't cause fall damage after the ability is turned off.

so.. a favored soul with 2880 SP, would be able to sustain 6 minutes in the air, assuming they did not cast any spells.

now for special quests like the Reaver's fate.. make it so the "fly lever" needs the Reaver to have lit all the skulls before it can be pulled (i.e. a barrier that is controlled via a quest objective of all skulls spinning.. or just the lever is locked until then)

Or how about the abbot?.. in the puzzle rooms, add a debuff that disables flight

probably a terrible idea.. but /shrug options never hurt

You haven't bought the class now that they doubbled the price or unlocked it with 2500 favour have you?

The Wings are the reason people bought or took the bloody time to unlock the class. If you are Nerfing it I want my money back and all the time and effort I put into this game.

Edit: I had friends leave, stop being vip/stop playing because of the nerfs to Tanks and the Broken Intimi skill and the Damage over Time Agro pullers.... even in the low level quests my Pally with an intimi of 43 can't keep the agro for more than two seconds with a Back stabby rogue's damage. Far less for an arcane or Divine DoTs

[CaptainPurge]

mmmmm wings. I'll take mine extra hot with blue cheese on the side. And pint o' ale.

[Eilyen]

As has been mentioned before, wings are mostly about fun rather than actual combat. The times I use LoF the most is simple travel or to jump off stuff just because it clearly needs jumping off of. (past life description is accurate...) It doesn't actually matter if a monk or sprinting barbarian actually covers ground faster, its still more fun with LoF spam. Personally I'd much much rather have LoF turned off all together in the mere presence of a red or purple name and left alone elsewhere, if boss kiting is really such and evil, instead of the annoying 5 charges, 15s recharge plan.

[Venny]

Or Classes that will be Nerffed as they can be termed OP after they realize WINGS aren't the issue.

BARDS
RANGERS
BARB/MIX CLASS
MONKS
SORCS


Why don't we all TR into WARFORGED WIZARDS and be all PALE MASTERS.

Edit: then we can have a fully Arcane runs through shroud and demand other dps if allowed have silver flame pots so they can heal themselves as we are self healing.

I think the Devs are just ignoring us now anyway though all of our points are valid.... in any case

I see a number of people quitting... I see Devs getting budget cuts... and all kinds of bad things happening. I also see people going to court over a refund.

[azrael4h]

I've started to recommend people stay away from this game as of now. History shows that the devs do not listen to anyone who actually plays this game. So this abomination will go live, ruining one of the most fun class features in game to "balance" what the top 0.00001% of players did using 150+ store potions on the preview server.

A week ago I was trying to get a few more people in game. Congrats Eladrin!

[Vazok1]

While I accept that wing are an overpowered ability and that the changes suggested will be adapted to by most given time, I think that this move is a bad decision from the amount of fun people have with the ability. The wings ability is much like the epic sos, it should not have been implemented as it was, its is too powerful. but to change that this far in would not be a shrewd decision in any way shape or form.

I DO thing the changes suggested are the best way forward in terms of the game. But not in terms of the player base. What I think you should have done is just stuck with extending the cooldown on the ability. we don't see air sorcs doing the same things fvs are achieving (even though that is partly to do with devines superior self healing ability).

The true problem is Damage Over Time spells. on my wizard with just the base 20% enhancement on my wizard i get just over 300 damage. 300*8 ticks is 2400 damage per cast, which at a cost of 72sp per cast is giving me 33.333 damage per spell point used. so say i use 100 mana buffing and 144 to get the 3 stack going which would give me just over 1800mana remaining. thats a total of 60,000 damage per mana bar. Now those numbers are not even counting crits or sp 'clickys' or lesser maximise clicks or anything like that. Thats just the base amount on a minimal dot. for having 1ap cost and 1 spell slot thats just too much damage put out in just over 6 and a half minutes. (disclaimer: not accurate 100% numbers, just an example)

Problem o'meter
---- wings
----------------------------------------- dots

[Thorzian]

I also see people going to court over a refund.

that would make my day and then some. "turbine faces class action suit by player base over on line changes to purchased product"

oh please, now that you said it let it happen!

[Thorzian]

Problem o'meter
---- wings
----------------------------------------- dots

you forgot..
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ moronic monster AI

[Michaelaz2]

Ever hear "If it isnt broke, dont fix it" ? Not interested in rage quitting but at same time realize we play for fun and entertainment, when it stops being fun or entertaining we will simply stop playing.

[Malky]

Problem o'meter
---- wings
----------------------------------------- dots
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ladder bug

Fix'd!

[culdraug]

I am one of those that are casual players. This is my first post to the forums. This idea has upset me enough to speak up. Punishing most people because some are really good is no way to conduct business.

Some have mentioned quitting, but I have a different suggestion. Play without spending money. Use their resources more than ever. Don't spend a dime in the store. Farm points with new characters. If they are going to take the fun out of it for us, take the profits out of it for them.

[kitsune_ko]

I am one of those that are casual players. This is my first post to the forums. This idea has upset me enough to speak up. Punishing most people because some are really good is no way to conduct business.

Some have mentioned quitting, but I have a different suggestion. Play without spending money. Use their resources more than ever. Don't spend a dime in the store. Farm points with new characters. If they are going to take the fun out of it for us, take the profits out of it for them.

It is indeed a pity that "let your money do the talking" seems to be the only voice most companies and corporations ever pay attention too.

But then to us its all about fun or not-fun, for them is all about profit or loss.

[Silverleafeon]

...This whole thing is a non-issue. Kiting a raid boss? Really? You think 11 people are going to sit and watch 1 person kite a raid boss?...

Last time I saw this happen, the other 11 characters were all dead.

[katz]

*sigh*

i was planning on TRing my FvS into a cleric anyway





bad change. i'm not the strong-reaction type. i took a "wait and see" pose when everyone else was screaming DOOOOOOOOOOM about u9, but this change is looking at the wrong end of the problem, methinks. ill-advised. please don't. please?