Bravey Bonus suggestion

[OverlordOfRats]

Add two new items to the DDO store.

Hard Unlock Permanent Token - BTC, must be a TR(34pt) 1000TP($10.00 USD)
Elite Unlock Permanent Token - BTC, Must be a TRx2(36pt) 2000tp($20.00 USD)

These items allow a TR character to unlock all quest at that difficulty level. They are BTC and can only be purchase by a TR character. They also stay with that character if they TR again.

My reasoning for suggesting this for the Bravery Bonus is it will allow FTP and Premium accounts access to the bonus with TRing. Madfloyd said the main reason for the Bravery Bonus was to help TRs with the XP grind.

VIPs keep the ability to unlock Elite (and the bonus) on any character (even 1st life) on any server.
Premium can unlock only with a TR character at the cost of 1 or 2 months subscription (3 if they buy both) per character.
FTP can unlock only with a TR character at the cost of much TP grinding per character.



Disclaimer:

I am a premium account holder. I have purchased all races, classes, and all but the last adventure pack. I started playing in Feb 2010. I have altitist and my highest character is level 15. I have no plans to TR in the next year.

[Dolphious]

It would be really nice to have some way for us premium players to access this bonus besides leaching off a VIP account. I was honestly saddened by the number of my fellow players that are subscribers in previous threads insisting that this new feature should be forever out of the hands of premium players. The xp grind on a TR2 is insane (I'm doing it now), the devs recognized that and made the bravery bonus, I wish we could all enjoy the new system without it being some weird conflict between people who pay for the game in different ways.

[OverlordOfRats]

It would be really nice to have some way for us premium players to access this bonus besides leaching off a VIP account. I was honestly saddened by the number of my fellow players that are subscribers in previous threads insisting that this new feature should be forever out of the hands of premium players. The xp grind on a TR2 is insane (I'm doing it now), the devs recognized that and made the bravery bonus, I wish we could all enjoy the new system without it being some weird conflict between people who pay for the game in different ways.

The anger generated is what made me post. We all are here to have fun playing the game.

My suggestion is not inexpensive for premium accounts, but does give access to the bonus on a per character basis for TRs.

Hopefully everyone can find this acceptable.

[Uska]

that is more reasonable and doesnt give VIP's the short end of the stick what I wasnt really liking was people wanting a account wide unlock for about the price you stated.

[Bago]

I think the ideal solution is to come up with a new bravery scheme that does not hinge on unlocks.

As a premium account holder, I view the h/e unlocks as an appropriate level of VIP bonus. I am jealous of them, but not to the extent that I actually regret my decision to go premium, or feel bait-and switched.

On the other hand, tying a large xp bonus to those unlocks gives me the opposite feeling.

[Xaxx]

This is not a *bravery system fix* this is a give me a way to get the unlocks..... oh it gives access to bravery system easier.... but it is not a bravery system fix. Come on guys lets make a distinction here. Every post about a way to get access to the unlocks anyway but the way they're supposed to be is only a post about wanting the unlocks period.

If you wish to fix the bravery system or make posts about fixing the bravery system, please propose ideas to fix the bravery system. If you wish to post threads about granting the unlocks to someone else, please post that as thats exactly what the op is suggesting, not a bravery *fix*.

Sorry overlord any disolution of vip perks at all is not acceptable when the problem does not lie in vips having the perk but in the system that was implimented.

By all means post ideas to fix bravery, but this isnt an idea to fix anything that needs fixing.

It would be really nice to have some way for us premium players to access this bonus besides leaching off a VIP account. I was honestly saddened by the number of my fellow players that are subscribers in previous threads insisting that this new feature should be forever out of the hands of premium players. The xp grind on a TR2 is insane (I'm doing it now), the devs recognized that and made the bravery bonus, I wish we could all enjoy the new system without it being some weird conflict between people who pay for the game in different ways.

Most of those sentiments were only expressed after so many premiums thought that they were entitled to the vip perk now because of a system change. What started the current conflict in things is people wanting something that wasnt theirs rather than looking for a way to actually fix what they found to be wrong in a new system.

By all means I dont think (and i doubt many vips) think that premiums should be excluded from the bravery system, but their accessing it should not come at the cost of vips getting the shaft rather than the premiums.

Fix the system or scrap it. Thats really the only solutions that doesnt involve one half of the customer base getting said shaft at the end of the day.

[Xaxx]

I think the ideal solution is to come up with a new bravery scheme that does not hinge on unlocks.

As a premium account holder, I view the h/e unlocks as an appropriate level of VIP bonus. I am jealous of them, but not to the extent that I actually regret my decision to go premium, or feel bait-and switched.

On the other hand, tying a large xp bonus to those unlocks gives me the opposite feeling.

Thank you bago it really is nice to see some premiums who dont want to just screw vips so that they can get their hands on something. I've seen others but these posts are much fewer and far between than posts about *fixing* bravery by giving premiums a way to get to the unlocks. +1 for ya

No I dont think the op wants to just screw vips, he seems to be trying to find a compromise along the lines that so many premiums want, but they want to fix something that doesnt need to be fixed as per my above post. Fix what needs to be fixed not screw vips because you think thats easier.

[Bodic]

Thank you bago it really is nice to see some premiums who dont want to just screw vips so that they can get their hands on something. I've seen others but these posts are much fewer and far between than posts about *fixing* bravery by giving premiums a way to get to the unlocks. +1 for ya

No I dont think the op wants to just screw vips, he seems to be trying to find a compromise along the lines that so many premiums want, but they want to fix something that doesnt need to be fixed as per my above post. Fix what needs to be fixed not screw vips because you think thats easier.

yup using the Bravery Bonus as an excuss to get permenant Unlocks something premiums have been trying to get for a long time. Granted I would be ok with Hard ONLY for say 30,000 TP that seems fair. and well I wil H1 you later.

SN: should be back in game Mid to Late Sep if I can get things squared away on this new job/move thing. I had canceld my net/tv at the end of last month.

[Seikojin]

I think the ideal solution is to come up with a new bravery scheme that does not hinge on unlocks.

As a premium account holder, I view the h/e unlocks as an appropriate level of VIP bonus. I am jealous of them, but not to the extent that I actually regret my decision to go premium, or feel bait-and switched.

On the other hand, tying a large xp bonus to those unlocks gives me the opposite feeling.

As much as I agree with most of this, the last sentance sank it for me.

The breavery stuff and the streak bonus is all good to me. 20% bonus is not a big deal breaker to me and none of those are hard to get into action.

[Dolphious]

yup using the Bravery Bonus as an excuss to get permenant Unlocks something premiums have been trying to get for a long time. Granted I would be ok with Hard ONLY for say 30,000 TP that seems fair. and well I wil H1 you later.

SN: should be back in game Mid to Late Sep if I can get things squared away on this new job/move thing. I had canceld my net/tv at the end of last month.

$300 for hard unlock? That's really helpful, way to continue the nastiness.

[MartinusWyllt]

...I was honestly saddened by the number of my fellow players that are subscribers in previous threads insisting that this new feature should be forever out of the hands of premium players....

It technically is out of no one's hands. It just requires being just a tiny bit social or having a 2nd account that can open on hard/elite....like how many people did it before elite unlock.

If you're being honest you should admit that you can still achieve this it is simply less convenient than it is for someone subscribing. (Just as it is for my premium accounts.)

[OverlordOfRats]

Thank you bago it really is nice to see some premiums who dont want to just screw vips so that they can get their hands on something. I've seen others but these posts are much fewer and far between than posts about *fixing* bravery by giving premiums a way to get to the unlocks. +1 for ya

No I dont think the op wants to just screw vips, he seems to be trying to find a compromise along the lines that so many premiums want, but they want to fix something that doesnt need to be fixed as per my above post. Fix what needs to be fixed not screw vips because you think thats easier.

Quite true. I was trying to come up with a compromise.

It was meant to help TRs. Premium players can currently buy elite unlocks at one quest each for 95TP. That's why I made my suggestion. Having read many of the threads making it a bonus for TRing was meet with great negativity.

Not planning on TRing anytime soon myself. But what would work?

Would removing the reset on normal work for TRs still? Do N,H,E and still keep the H and E streak bonus going?

What do you think would work instead?

[OverlordOfRats]

yup using the Bravery Bonus as an excuss to get permenant Unlocks something premiums have been trying to get for a long time. Granted I would be ok with Hard ONLY for say 30,000 TP that seems fair. and well I wil H1 you later.

SN: should be back in game Mid to Late Sep if I can get things squared away on this new job/move thing. I had canceld my net/tv at the end of last month.

My suggestion was not a permanent account wide unlock. It was a permanent unlock for a character who has TRed. The Bravery Bonus was supposed to help TRs with the XP grind.

[Andilor]

If I understand the bravery bonus, which I am not claiming I do, VIP or groups containing a VIP will benefit from Turbine benefiting. So more people will become VIP or buy (using real money) elite opener items. This is typical business that starts around high school with "here man, this bag is free, but if you like it let me know, you can buy more from me tomorrow."

If the bravery bonus is looked at as anything but a marketing idea to bring money in, I would be open to your idea of it's purpose.

I'm sure someone ran the numbers and said the conversion from Premium to VIP is not as high as expected after letting VIP run elite without unlocking, so they came up with an XP bonus to add to the appeal. I feel this change is targeting the premium accounts that are sitting on the 'required' adventure packs to uber and TR their characters, but do not want to give Turbine the steady monthly income any business wants.

[Dolphious]

This is not a *bravery system fix* this is a give me a way to get the unlocks..... oh it gives access to bravery system easier.... but it is not a bravery system fix. Come on guys lets make a distinction here. Every post about a way to get access to the unlocks anyway but the way they're supposed to be is only a post about wanting the unlocks period.

If you wish to fix the bravery system or make posts about fixing the bravery system, please propose ideas to fix the bravery system. If you wish to post threads about granting the unlocks to someone else, please post that as thats exactly what the op is suggesting, not a bravery *fix*.

Sorry overlord any disolution of vip perks at all is not acceptable when the problem does not lie in vips having the perk but in the system that was implimented.

By all means post ideas to fix bravery, but this isnt an idea to fix anything that needs fixing.



Most of those sentiments were only expressed after so many premiums thought that they were entitled to the vip perk now because of a system change. What started the current conflict in things is people wanting something that wasnt theirs rather than looking for a way to actually fix what they found to be wrong in a new system.

By all means I dont think (and i doubt many vips) think that premiums should be excluded from the bravery system, but their accessing it should not come at the cost of vips getting the shaft rather than the premiums.

Fix the system or scrap it. Thats really the only solutions that doesnt involve one half of the customer base getting said shaft at the end of the day.

I agree with most of this (except the "he said, he said" stuff).

Maybe there could be an new "bravery" option when entering a quest for the first time such that you ran the quest "as if" it were on elite( or hard), but only got the favor for a normal completion?

I assume turbine's main concern is that opening hard/elite for premiums is going to make favor farming easier (of course any serious favor farmer will have already worked this out) and this would get around that.