Drow Fighter pure Tank! (test build)

[Espario]

I decided to try to make a fighter that is well rounded defencive/health-wise this one turned out great with over 500 health at end and toughness 7 times. haha, it seems decent enough, and with items it could definently be a great build. but i need opinions. this is a front line melee build, so it has a ton of bonuses towards intimidate. thought i wntd to mak ea paladin vrsion of this. that will not happen becuase the paladins stats are spread to thin with needing CHA and WIS and all ;p so i went fighter. this is made to wear a tower shield and use a bastard sword.

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20Fighter TANK!
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 534
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 10
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    18
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     4
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         3                     5
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            4                    33
Jump                  4                    16
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  4                    15
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost IV


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) IV


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization I

PS. it is drow because of the drows saves against enchantment. since there is no WIS used in this build. he needs the drow sr to keep um alive when monsters spam stun and hold person spells.

this build is actualy meant to be neutral good. forgot to change tht

[simo0208]

Why not go warforged, gain immunities to all those things instead of marginal SR, and then actually have strength and constitution? Those extra stats in INT and CHA are dead numbers for this build. Not a fan of the bastard sword and board either, but that's up to you. The sword and board tanks are hard to play because with the new intimidate rules, they have a hard time keeping aggro. Hate tanks are better and Warforged two handed fighters with loads of HP can do that.

[unbongwah]

So you're trying to make a high-HP tank out of a low-CON race (16 pts into CON + 4 lvl-ups); you don't take any THF or TWF feats (at least you remembered Power Atk) and have low-ish STR and go bsword, meaning your DPS will be...unimpressive; you seem to be after AC but your INT is too low for Combat Expertise; you seem to want some resistance to spells but drow SR is of limited use and you have no bonuses to Will or Reflex saves (apart from high DEX).

Ummm, good luck with this...

[CSFurious]

tank races:

dwarf, half-orc, wf & human

at this point in the game, drow are an epic fail as a race

they were good back in 2006, maybe 2007

[Espario]

tank races:

dwarf, half-orc, wf & human

at this point in the game, drow are an epic fail as a race

they were good back in 2006, maybe 2007

You are Dead wrong! haha, drows dont make good tanks or melee classes (usualy paladins are good as drows) but they are best choice for any other class, they make beast rogues, rangers, sorc, bards, wiz, and clerics, etc... because of there bonuses to the stats that thoughs classes need. plus, im probably going to change this race to dwarf since i do not yet have any other races, because i am F2P and am working with what i have atm. this build is made to have buffed and tomed stats. i just havnt put um in yet. but i may go paladin and see wht i cn do with narrowd stats.


BTW, by saying the drow is a fail race, you are just as well saying that the basic elf is a fail race, which is not true, because a regular elf is same stats as a drow except the drow has 32pt build and bonuses to its max pt for stats.

[The_Brave2]

they make best rogues, rangers, sorc, bards, wiz, and clerics, etc...

Sorry, you are loosing credibility
Drow are basically a gimped version of humans. Save the occasional Sorc or Palemaster.

also:

I decided to try to make a fighter that is well rounded defencive/health-wise

You are Dead wrong! haha, drows dont make good tanks or melee classes

Edit: Also:

that the basic elf is a fail race

they are, but are still a better mele class as a 32pt than a drow.

[OsOscarius]

You are Dead wrong! haha, drows dont make good tanks or melee classes (usualy paladins are good as drows) but they are best choice for any other class

*raises eyebrow*

Just a fair warning. You sholdn't throw around words such as "best" in these sorts of forums.
You'll be torn the shreds by other posters.

I personally can't agree with you. Sure, with 28p builds drow can be great, but once you get 32p builds (buy it, get 1000 favor, w/e) they start to fall behind...rather extremely so.
It might be because of the lack of anything, well, special. Their enhancements and racial benefits are simply not that great.
To be honest, if I had 32p builds I would probably never roll a drow (possibly a paladin, but I don't like them. ^^) Other races are in most cases simply better for that role.

If you only have 28p builds, sure, go for it. They, like you said, make good rogues, good sorcs and good wizards. But I'd rather take a Warforged or Human for the sorc/wiz or a Human or Halfling for the rogue, even if I only had 28p builds. Just my opinion though.

[Bobthesponge]

I see a couple of issues with this build. To start, lose the points in jump and swim - you will be much better served with balance and UMD - even a fighter can get a respectable UMD. Jump is easily boosted with pots, clickies or spells and swim is just plain useless.

Also, you need to put your level ups into STR rather than CON. You are starting with 16 CON which should be fine. You will get more HP from gear than the extra 4 points of CON and you will definately need the STR to be able to hold aggro. The changes to intimidate mean that you can't just constantly spam it any more but will need to do some damage as well.

As for the 7 levels of toughness, does it even stack that high? I thought it stopped at 4 or 5? I could be wrong there. You may want to think about other feats such as hamstring, improved trip or stunning blow as they will help you in combat.

[jandhaer]

You are Dead wrong! haha, drows dont make good tanks or melee classes (usualy paladins are good as drows) but they are best choice for any other class, they make beast rogues, rangers, sorc, bards, wiz, and clerics, etc... because of there bonuses to the stats that thoughs classes need. plus, im probably going to change this race to dwarf since i do not yet have any other races, because i am F2P and am working with what i have atm. this build is made to have buffed and tomed stats. i just havnt put um in yet. but i may go paladin and see wht i cn do with narrowd stats.


BTW, by saying the drow is a fail race, you are just as well saying that the basic elf is a fail race, which is not true, because a regular elf is same stats as a drow except the drow has 32pt build and bonuses to its max pt for stats.

sorry but drow (especially) tank = reroll

[jandhaer]

I see a couple of issues with this build.
As for the 7 levels of toughness, does it even stack that high? I thought it stopped at 4 or 5? I could be wrong there. You may want to think about other feats such as hamstring, improved trip or stunning blow as they will help you in combat.

No limit on toughness I have a guildy with 9 that I can think of off the top of my head.

[CSFurious]

elves are also an epic fail as a race

the only reason to roll an elf would be to play a wizard/arcane archer or maybe a gimpy ranger

my elf ranger was pretty cool back in the day but once they nerfed tempest no more cool

[Enoach]

I laugh everytime people claim Race X = fail and don't state a reason or at least a valid reason why.

The problem I see with the build choices you have outlined is that you are not building to capitalize on the Drow Race, but instead determined that a 30 SR would be a saving point.

When building any character you should take into consideration how that Class would fit with the Race. Each race has its disadvantages and advantages, capitalize on its advantage and its disadvantages become negated. Try to build a Drow fighter like a human fighter you will only disappoint yourself.

Drow start with a Dex, Int and Charisma of 10. This is already higher then any of the other. This means you don't need to put as many points into Int to qualify for Combat Expertise if you have a +3 Int Tome that means at level 12 you could qualify. If you are not that lucky, 1 point and you can qualify at level 7 with a +2 Tome. See where I'm going. Same goes with the Two Weapon Fighting line. Also Drow have a 2 point advantage on Charisma as many Fighter builds do not place points here as they are mostly going to STR and CON. This gives you a built in +1 to Charisma Skills over others from the start.

Now Sword & Board DPS is lower then THF or TWF, but it is not FAIL low as some would try to make others believe. You keep this in mind you can then focus on Hate Generation and how to multiply it. By going Fighter instead of Paladin most of your hate multiplication will come from intimidate and Gear. At the same time adding in THF feats to enhance your Bastard Sword use also means you have made an investment in the THF style too. This means you can switch to a Two Handed weapon when the job calls for more Power and less defense.

On skills, I would recommend moving Jump and Swim points to Balance and UMD. As a Drow you will get more of an advantage with charisma based skills by 1. Your not going for no fail Heal Scrolls, but a workable UMD that would allow you access to scrolls with a moderate success rate.

Maybe something to do to help you understand what you want out of your build is to list features you are looking for, such as Minimum Hit Points, Immunities, Bonuses, AC you would like to hit without epic gear. I'm not trying to change your mind about Drow, but this build as outlined does not capitalize on Drow's strengths.


Bottom line, no race = Fail. But the builder can fail build...

[Olath_Senger]

Personally, I have no problem with Drow builds, unless they dump-stat Con. But if you want an epic-viable tank, go Dwarf, WF, Horc, or Human. Drow are great for casters, rogues, and some Paladins. Try to turn them into a tank, however, and they'll be lacking.

Don't send a Drow to do a Dwarves/WFs/Horcs work .

[SensaiRyu]

As a tank? Sure, I have a Drow Kensai THF Greatsword @ lvl 17 that rocks with dmg. Took it for two reasons: 1) Drow, 2) Spell resistances, 3) Insanity on a Drow. The 20hp deficit with going Drow shouldn't matter if you're well geared - I put more points into Str.

As for intim, you're gimping by not taking the +intim feats. I may respec her to an intim-Kensai with enuf intim for most bosses. I already have SD so I'll be keeping her kensai.

I was going Pure fighter - hp ending at 394 base but I'm thinking 2 lvls of barb for real rage - hp at 420 base.

Fun to play when I don't feel like using my monk or intimitank (both HElf). She holds her own very well on PUG runs (even with TRs) and still has some named gear to grind. Haven't tried to use intimidate with her - I only have an intimidate helm and I never wear it. Getting a +15 intim ring is on my todo list.

HP 394 (pure)
+90 Minos and Defender
+20 rage pot
+40 ship and yugo
+20 exc con
----
584 HP with minor gear

HP 420 (18/2)
+90 Minos and Defender
+40 Rage
+40 ship and yugo
+20 exc con
----
610 HP with minor gear

I've yet to see madstone boots on any of my toons. I'm not even sure if they're real

(yes I know that's three reasons )