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    Default Artificer Knowledge problems and stacking issues.

    The feat Artificer Knowledge is supposed to gives us +5 CL on scrolls, wand, potions, and clickies. Currently it is not working on potions at all and only giving +4 CL to scrolls which it is supposed to be taken 5 times like the others.

    The Artificer Capstone makes all scrolls, wands, and clickies, CL 20 base. This is great, I love the 2 minute haste scrolls among others. The Artificer Knowledge feat is supposed to let us use them as +5 CL which should mean level 20 Artificers should be using scrolls, wands, and clickies at CL 25 instead of 20.

    I know this might be a little nit picky but I was under the assumption that feats, items, and enhancements stack. I put in a bug report for this as it seems logical that the feat would augment the capstone enhancement, not be overwritten by it.

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    The capstone and the knowledge feats are not meant to stack. It should just take which ever is better. So if you have a CL 16 item you will cast it at CL21 but if its CL 15 or lower it will be CL20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanthan View Post
    The capstone and the knowledge feats are not meant to stack. It should just take which ever is better. So if you have a CL 16 item you will cast it at CL21 but if its CL 15 or lower it will be CL20.
    Can you quote me where it states that is WAI. I was under the assumption that since the game started that feats, enhancements, and items all stacked with each other.

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    Thanks for the link. That is sort of disappointing, I was hoping for CL25 phantasmal killer wands for the extra spell penetration, I guess it won't work that way though =/

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    Thank you for the link. I do hope that this is not the start of a trend in which the original rules of stacking are thrown out the door.

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    So is it confirmed that not getting AK:scrolls +1 at 13th level a bug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dakkon75 View Post
    Thank you for the link. I do hope that this is not the start of a trend in which the original rules of stacking are thrown out the door.
    There's no violation of stacking rules here. It is conventional that feats aren't written as stacking with their own prerequisites.

    Artificer Knowledge is a prerequisite for Artificer Capstone. If it makes you feel better, they could rewrite the capstone as giving you CL 15 and then specify that it does stack with the other ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    There's no violation of stacking rules here. It is conventional that feats aren't written as stacking with their own prerequisites.

    Artificer Knowledge is a prerequisite for Artificer Capstone. If it makes you feel better, they could rewrite the capstone as giving you CL 15 and then specify that it does stack with the other ability.
    What he meant was the Artificer Knowledge is a feat, the Capstone is an enhancement. In general feats and enhancements of the same type will stack.

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