Upgrading the difficulty on the two raids.

[maddmatt70]

Any chance you can upgrade the difficulty for the two raids or at least one of the raids on epic. The raids appear far too easy. Resources are easy to come by in game so if I have to use some resources shrug. I would love a real challenge. I actually want to fail at attempts in completing a raid for the first time for a few weeks that would be awesome. The old abbot and Titan were both great - give us one of those raids. The game is much too easy on epic.

[Phalcon]

Any chance you can upgrade the difficulty for the two raids or at least one of the raids on epic. The raids appear far too easy. Resources are easy to come by in game so if I have to use some resources shrug. I would love a real challenge. I actually want to fail at attempts in completing a raid for the first time for a few weeks that would be awesome. The old abbot and Titan were both great - give us one of those raids. The game is much too easy on epic.

Did you run the raids at all? I think its kinda silly to say somethings too easy if you haven't done it but maybe that's just me.

[SableShadow]

The old abbot and Titan were both great

Bug house broken = great?

The biggest challenge in Titan was getting it off the **** pillar stumps; the biggest challenge in Abbot was sorting a tile room that was tested only on Turbine's lan.

[maddmatt70]

Did you run the raids at all? I think its kinda silly to say somethings too easy if you haven't done it but maybe that's just me.

Yeah you just want it easy peasy whereas I want to get my butt kicked. Beating a raid on the first attempt or two is a letdown.

[kailiea]

I can guarantee that the new raids will test your reflexes and co ordination/ teamwork on elite/epic.

Just because Revenants rocked the raids doesn't mean they are easy and doesn't mean we didn't wipe once or twice figuring out some stuff. I think these are some of the most balanced raids Turbine has done in a while because they require a wider range of classes be utilized to make things easier.

We figured out the puzzles in epic Artificer on our second run but even knowing that little tidbit of information, one still requires some serious reflexes to not die.

I think the raids as they stand now (on epic/elite) will remain challenging to the hard core guilds for some time

[Alkindus]

Well.. I did it today twice with Shade & the rest. We had solid players there and still failed against epic. Lord of blades seems perfectly balanced atleast for epic. The end boss is a a friggin beast. Can hit for 600+, does massive aoe damage, and seems to have a pretty reasonable amt of hp. Pile that on with the Hp debuffs and the dogs he has that spit grease that does about 150-200 a pop and you got yourself one hell of a challenge. Seems about right to me for an epic boss.

[Phalcon]

Yeah you just want it easy peasy whereas I want to get my butt kicked. Beating a raid on the first attempt or two is a letdown.

I want things easy peasy?

If you want to get your "butt kicked" I'd suggest go try the raids on Elite/Epic

If you still think they are still too easy then by all means let me have it, but putting up a post about how the new raids are too easy when you haven't even ran them is a bit ironic don't you think?

[kailiea]

Titan wasn't beat day 1 because when it was released you couldn't even get to the flagging quests.
The keys did not drop when it first came out and you could not pick the doors to progress.

Then when everyone did manage to get in the raid, the Titan itself had some major pathing issues.

Abbott was beat day one if I remember correctly by brute forcing it and was made unplayable by removing the ability to brute force it. It went through several iterations after that to make it playable.....

[NeutronStar]

Yeah you just want it easy peasy whereas I want to get my butt kicked. Beating a raid on the first attempt or two is a letdown.

I noticed you didn't actually answer Phalcon's question.

[maddmatt70]

I noticed you didn't actually answer Phalcon's question.

Yeah so.. Multiple groups beat these raids within a few hours.. It will be no different when it hits the live servers. I do not believe in playing on lammania unless Turbine pays me to do so..

[Indoran]

Yeah so.. Multiple groups beat these raids within a few hours.. It will be no different when it hits the live servers. I do not believe in playing on lammania unless Turbine pays me to do so..

dude... I have seen you run epics, I know you know your stuff.... but dont talk without knowing... go run the raids or wait until you run it to start clamoring for an "upgrade"

If not its the same as a doom thread just the opposite way....

[Phalcon]

Yeah so.. Multiple groups beat these raids within a few hours.. It will be no different when it hits the live servers. I do not believe in playing on lammania unless Turbine pays me to do so..

Ok so out of all these multiple groups that completed the raids, how many of them said the raids were easy? Then out of all the groups that said it was easy what difficulty was it ran on?

If it's too easy then prove it to us all. Actions speak louder then words.

[Grenada]

Ok so out of all these multiple groups that completed the raids, how many of them said the raids were easy? Then out of all the groups that said it was easy what difficulty was it ran on?

These guys said it wasn't as easy as you would think:

I will say this: Yes we did short man it. However this raid is a beast. It is unforgiving on Elite/Epic. This is the hardest quest in the game by a long shot period. It will be interesting to see how groups end up running this without using pots.


Anyone that thinks this raids a joke bc it got short manned is going to be upset when this goes live heh.

Edit: they ran this quest on epic then elite.

[D-molisher]

Kudos to you for 7 manning an epic raid, with only 33 deaths.
But if you can 7 man a raid that should be balanced for 12 peops ( as lvl 25) - then its way too easy.
Here i thought epic raids should be for the best off the best & actually give them a challenge ... i guess i was wrong.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=336475

[Riggs]

Hitting for 600+ damage?

So - melee = Barb for good now I guess. Unless you take a ftr with like all 7 base feats as Toughness.

A Lord of Blades raid sounds like fun. More hp/power creep doesnt.

Last raid turned up the dial to over 500 hp or dont be a 'tank', now its going to be 700 hp? Somehow between level 20 last year and level 20 this year every melee is supposed to pick up 150 more hp out of the blue?

[Phalcon]

Kudos to you for 7 manning an epic raid, with only 33 deaths.
But if you can 7 man a raid that should be balanced for 12 peops ( as lvl 25) - then its way too easy.
You can't judge a raids difficulty based off of 1 groups completion... If you were to solo a TOD elite would that mean that the raid was too easy? I didn't think so.

Here i thought epic raids should be for the best off the best & actually give them a challenge ... i guess i was wrong.

Okay so I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably didn't run the raid on Elite or Epic either. With that said how can you think that it wasn't a challenge?
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=336475

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When it comes down to it, Everyone had the chance to beat the raid today, and many tried. 1 group beat it on Epic and now its too easy in everyones minds even though 99% of people out there haven't even tried it.

[Phalcon]

Hitting for 600+ damage?

So - melee = Barb for good now I guess. Unless you take a ftr with like all 7 base feats as Toughness.

A Lord of Blades raid sounds like fun. More hp/power creep doesnt.

Last raid turned up the dial to over 500 hp or dont be a 'tank', now its going to be 700 hp? Somehow between level 20 last year and level 20 this year every melee is supposed to pick up 150 more hp out of the blue?

It's all about tactics and learning the boss's attack sequences and such. He does strike really hard though so having some high HP is always a plus.

[Ovrad]

Hitting for 600+ damage?

Oh don't worry, on normal it's "only" 450-500.


...oh the subjet, I'm kinda wondering if scaling is working properly, since the difference between epic and norm doesn't seem that huge

[jakeelala]

i think it's sort of ridiculous for Matt to suggest changing something he's never experienced first hand.

I also think it's ridicluous that you 7 manned an Epic raid in 2 days from it coming out.

However it's well known that what Revenents do is short man extremely hard raids with a high level of success, resources be darned.

Us losers have to accept that those guys are exceptionally good at beating ridiculous raids with small numbers. In some ways it might even be an advantage to have less people to heal, coordinate, buff, instruct etc.

I think at the end of the day this might actually be a positive thing: you can take the best equipment in the game and give it to lots of hard core players, but only the best are actually going to do ridiculous things like TOD elite 4 man or beat the new Epic raid right away.

Shade tried it with a full group and failed, more than once. If Shade and a group of end game geared players can fail multiple times, this raid IS NOT too easy.

Those of you who are saying it is are just all sour grapes because you and your buddies aren't pulling off what Rev did. Either test on Lam or wait till live to bellyache I say.

[Jaid314]

you know, i hear olympic sprinters can sprint 100 meters in less than 10 seconds. therefore, that is obviously a super-easy task. i think i'm going to go outside now and just run 100 meters in less than 10 seconds right now in fact! surely the fact that they have vastly more training, preparation, natural ability, physical capability, etc, has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they can sprint 100 meters in less than 10 seconds. nope, it's clearly just a really easy thing to do! obviously, if olympic level sprinters can do that, everyone else can replicate the same experience trivially! i don't know why they even give those people medals for such an easy thing to do! clearly the olympics are too easy, and they need to be made harder! if that's all they can do, clearly the olympics have been using the easy button too much, and the difficulty needs to be scale up. they should require that you run the 100 meter dash in under 5 seconds to make it more challenging, that sounds soooooo much more reasonable. [/sarcasm]

seriously. a group of well-known, highly skilled players, likely with top-end gear, who know each other well and work together often, said that it was not an easy raid.

it sounds to me (based on those facts), that it might just not be an easy raid. color me crazy, but i just can't help but feel that if people who are the very top tier of the game say "wow, that was a real challenge", then it just might actually not be a total cakewalk.