Upgrading the difficulty on the two raids.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I see your point, but as many already said you can't balance a raid just for the top players.

On elite / epic difficulty you can... And should.

And easiest way to do it?

Limit the amount of SP potions you cna use on elite / epic to like 1-5. Done, solved, and the game actually has some challange again.

[azrael4h]

On elite / epic difficulty you can... And should.

And easiest way to do it?

Limit the amount of SP potions you cna use on elite / epic to like 1-5. Done, solved, and the game actually has some challange again.

Remove sp pots from the store and reduce drop rates considerably on regular ones. Done. When they become an actual limited resource, instead of infinite, they will cease to cause balance issues.

Don't think that'd happen, ever, but still needs to be done.

[Epitome]

Remove sp pots from the store and reduce drop rates considerably on regular ones. Done. When they become an actual limited resource, instead of infinite, they will cease to cause balance issues.

Don't think that'd happen, ever, but still needs to be done.

People don't do this on live, at least they shouldn't unless they are wealthy or insane.

[azrael4h]

People don't do this on live, at least they shouldn't unless they are wealthy or insane.

I know some people who are certifiable.

[BruceTheHoon]

A bit late, but what can I do. I believe the raid was 8 manned. The party list still doesn't show the bottom 2 players - in this case the bottom one.

More on topic: if the best of the best say that it's the hardest raid after completing it, I tend to believe them more than someone who didn't complete it.

[maddmatt70]

A bit late, but what can I do. I believe the raid was 8 manned. The party list still doesn't show the bottom 2 players - in this case the bottom one.

More on topic: if the best of the best say that it's the hardest raid after completing it, I tend to believe them more than someone who didn't complete it.

I bet you at least 6 different groups on my server of Khyber beat 1 or both of these raids on the first day. Best my **..

[xTethx]

A bit late, but what can I do. I believe the raid was 8 manned. The party list still doesn't show the bottom 2 players - in this case the bottom one.

More on topic: if the best of the best say that it's the hardest raid after completing it, I tend to believe them more than someone who didn't complete it.

I dont have the screenies in front of me, but I believe there were 10 guildies in Lord of Blades, 2 of them had to go afk and piked The other 1 that was missing ddoored because of 1 of our guildies bright strategy of going straight down instead of killing trash

For the master artificer there were 8 people in group. All 8 were there and contributing, I believe.

Cant wait to see ya run these raids on epic Norg, you will have some fun for sure man

[xTethx]

I bet you at least 6 different groups on my server of Khyber beat 1 or both of these raids on the first day. Best my **..

And I'll bet you none of them did it on elite or epic.

[wootvenu]

Some of you guys have forgotten about this game's history. There was a whole group of people who enjoyed trying to beat the titan. They failed numerous times, but they really enjoyed getting together as a group and trying something out whether it worked or not was almost immaterial. The titan assumed an almost mythical stature. It is no coincidence that many of these people that tried to beat the titan no longer play DDO because DDO quite frankly has taken the easy road.

Some of these people will come back to check out these new raids and some of the newer people to DDO who would enjoy a challenge will also try the new raids. When groups beat the raids on the first day and starting farming them for gear these people will just think the game is the same old easy. Since Turbine is releasing two raids, this is a great opportunity to make one of the raids incredibly difficult and not just from a resource standpoint which is not really that difficult when all is said and done because I can alway buy and farm mana pots, but truely difficult.

I agree and understand but unfortunately Turbine has to sell the pack to new players, moderate and uber players. So, a balanced fun, a bit challenging and easy (in parts) is essential.

[grodon9999]

Hitting for 600+ damage?

So - melee = Barb for good now I guess. Unless you take a ftr with like all 7 base feats as Toughness.

A Lord of Blades raid sounds like fun. More hp/power creep doesnt.

Last raid turned up the dial to over 500 hp or dont be a 'tank', now its going to be 700 hp? Somehow between level 20 last year and level 20 this year every melee is supposed to pick up 150 more hp out of the blue?

MOAR HP!!!!!! HJEAL MEH!!!!!!!

Gotta love Turbine They give us an ubber-boss who's extremely difficult to melee yet can be DOT'd just fine.

[Epitome]

Gotta love Turbine They give us an ubber-boss who's extremely difficult to melee yet can be DOT'd just fine.

I don't want to spoil anything but this is not true regarding DOTs, hence the high recommendation to take a good mix of classes into this raid.

[grodon9999]

. . . or limit the use of SP potion. Preferably both.

This.

[SisAmethyst]

While I agree that it looks to easy if it can beat so fast on Lama we shouldn't forget that the resources available on Lama are much cheaper and easier to come by. Best SP pots someone for a couple of free TP? I am pretty sure your healer will not burn through hundreds of pots on life as easy as he will do on Lama where you not care about the resource.

Also as about the short manning there may apply some scaling. I know Epics aren't supposed to scale in difficulty but I wouldn't be surprised if the Devs changed this for this raid in U11.

I haven't run the raids yet either but I would be careful to judge its difficulty just from the point that others where able to do so.

[grodon9999]

I don't want to spoil anything but this is not true regarding DOTs, hence the high recommendation to take a good mix of classes into this raid.

Quoting your guildie:

Best to just dp him up even tho it does reduced damage.

So DOTs do reduced damage, still sounds like it's more SP efficient to DOT and kite than try to hjeal melees though that insanity.

[Epitome]

Quoting your guildie:



So DOTs do reduced damage, still sounds like it's more SP efficient to DOT and kite than try to hjeal melees though that insanity.

He was referring to a different boss than me, you'll see when you run Master Artificer on any difficulty regarding a certain boss and DOTs.

[maddmatt70]

And I'll bet you none of them did it on elite or epic.

Yes on elite or epic.. you really do not know Khyber whatsover..

[grodon9999]

He was referring to a different boss than me, you'll see when you run Master Artificer on any difficulty regarding a certain boss and DOTs.

Got it, I'm going off of Shade's report from the LoB. Since you've actually fought him you tell me . . . is there any point in meleeing the LoB?

[kailiea]

Quoting your guildie:



So DOTs do reduced damage, still sounds like it's more SP efficient to DOT and kite than try to hjeal melees though that insanity.

You would be incorrect to assume that....If you missed Teths other quote in another thread he also used 250 store pots for the day ;/

Not really that efficient if you ask me. Honestly I really think people should bring a good mix of toons into these raids and actually run them before jumping to conclusions.

[kailiea]

Got it, I'm going off of Shade's report from the LoB. Since you've actually fought him you tell me . . . is there any point in meleeing the LoB?

And give out our strats before game day... No Deal

[grodon9999]

Not really that efficient if you ask me. Honestly I really think people should bring a good mix of toons into these raids and actually run them before jumping to conclusions.

The balanced party (Shade's groups) failed . . . the party of almost all FvS succeeded. I know it's the pilot and not the plane, but still . . .