Do ALL dwarves get dwarven axe proficiency?

[brian14]

That is, are dwarven sorcs, rogues, and other classes normally limited to Simple weapons automatically proficient with Daxes?

[rimble]

No, Dwarven Waraxe becomes a Martial Weapon instead of an Exotic Weapon for Dwarves. So only if you have the Martial Weapons Feat will you get it for 'free'.

[Hordo]

That is, are dwarven sorcs, rogues, and other classes normally limited to Simple weapons automatically proficient with Daxes?

No. Only the proper melee classes (Ftr, Barb, Pali) do.

[Vellrad]

Any who get martial prof, gets D axe prof, even when using spell for it.
However, dwarven palemasters must do it before getting into their forms, as it changes race.

[Shishizaru]

That is, are dwarven sorcs, rogues, and other classes normally limited to Simple weapons automatically proficient with Daxes?

You need to have martial weapon proficiency for automatic DA proficiency (note: you need to be proficient in ALL martial weapons. Being a dwarf seems to shift DA to being a martial weapon, so Master's Touch will work). So no, your sorcerer and rogue are not going to be proficient.

[Zippo]

That is, are dwarven sorcs, rogues, and other classes normally limited to Simple weapons automatically proficient with Daxes?

Dwarf sorcs, clerics,rogues, FvS, etc do not get D axe prof. unless they take A level or more in ranger, fighter, barb, or paladin.

[Zippo]

No. Only the proper melee classes (Ftr, Barb, Pali) do.

You forgot ranger.

[Sarisa]

Correct, however, you can UMD cast a Master's Touch scroll on a Dwarf Rogue or Cleric, or the spell on a Dwarf bard or wizard and still be able to use it with no penalty.

The racial ability lets you treat a Dwarven Axe as a martial weapon instead of an exotic. Any way you can get martial weapon proficiency will let you use it, including splashing a "full" melee class, and the Master's Touch spell.

[Ungood]

I know the wording in the Compendium is a little convoluted.

But it is this Simple:

Dwarves Treat Dwarven Axes as Martial Weapons.

It is nothing more complex then that.

[Vellrad]

So, to sum up what have been said, dwarves with martial eapon proficienty feat (bugged, or just poorly implemented in DDO, meaning you need to get if from class, not feat) gets free proficienty in dwarven war axe. All other dwarves can cast Master's Touch spell on them, to get said effect, dwarven palemasters however, must do it before entering undead form, as it is changing race, taking away effect allowing dwarves treat dwarven axe as a martial weapon.

[NovaNZ]

Dwarf who gains Warchanter II can get Daxe proficiency for cost of 1 AP.

Pure TWF Daxe-weilding Dwarf warchanter anyone?

[silvertrit]

You forgot ranger.

He said proper melee for a reason :P


oh and all dwarfs are marital proficient

[NovaNZ]

oh and all dwarfs are marital proficient

Um... Silvertrit. Im gona refute this point.
Well actually I'm just gona call it wrong. All Dwarfs are not martial proficient. No other way of saying it.

[KillEveryone]

oh and all dwarfs are marital proficient

This isn't quite correct.

I've rolled a dwarf cleric and they didn't get any martial proficiency so they won't get the dwarven axe or great axe without having masters touch.

It is the class that grants martial proficiency, not the race. The race does allow for certain weapons that are exotic to be used with masters touch, but race doesn't automatically grant proficiency with those weapons nor does it allow all martial weapons to be used.

[silvertrit]

google the word I used....


like rouge and rogue

[NovaNZ]

Fair play Silvertrit ...
That round goes to you.

[Zippo]

He said proper melee for a reason :P


oh and all dwarfs are marital proficient

As others have said, not true. Only classes that receive the full compliment of Martial weapons get the Dwarven Axe as a freebie.

[Zippo]

Fair play Silvertrit ...
That round goes to you.

I'm not going to argue semantics on it, but I honestly believe that what you just witnessed was a bad attempt at using a typo to countermand an incorrect assertion.

[dlsidhe]

He said proper melee for a reason :P


oh and all dwarfs are marital proficient

I'll disagree with that, otherwise the law offices of Ironforge, Ironforge, & Rockcutter wouldn't be doing such a booming business in divorces.

"Here at the law offices of Ironforge, Ironforge, and Rockcutter, we understand that divorce can be a difficult time for dwarven families..."

[Dilbon]

Is rolling pin a marital weapon?