When to TR?

[Thrudh]

I dislike grind, but accept that it's necessary. I will grind, but a little light at the end of the tunnel would be nice. When I run weapons shipment so much I no longer get xp for it, and I have given out 5 baubles but have yet to get any boot ings, same goes for wrath, ugh.

Like I said, don't run weapon shipment 20x... Run Shroud 2-3 times (1 time if you get a large scale), sell all loot and ingrediants and then buy the boot ingrediant you're missing.

[Enoach]

I... Also heard as a sorc I am useless unless I got 38 DC, then heard I need 3 lives as a wizard to hit those kinds of numbers, which I do not plan to do. ...

You were sadly misinformed on this. You can get the Maximum of +1 DC to all schools from the Wizard Past Life "Active" Feat of which you can only take once it does not matter how many lives you spent as a Wizard. What you would end up with with 3 Wizard Past Lives is - +6 Spell Penetration and +3 Heightened Wand/Scroll DC.

Bard's "Active" Past Life Feat gets you +1 to Enchantment DC's same as wizards feat.

You still need to take the Wizard "Active" Feat to get the benifit.

So far there is only two classes that 3 lives would increase the DC's of Schools without having
to plan for the additional Feat that is available at Level 3.
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Cleric's "Passive" Past Life Feat gets you +1 to Conjuration DC's per life to a max of +3.
Sorcerer "Passive" Past Life Feat gets you +1 to Evocation DC's per life to a max of +3.

Thank you for the corrections

[voodoogroves]

You were sadly misinformed on this. You can get the Maximum of +1 DC to all schools from the Wizard Past Life "Active" Feat of which you can only take once it does not matter how many lives you spent as a Wizard. What you would end up with with 3 Wizard Past Lives is - +6 Spell Penetration and +3 Heightened Wand/Scroll DC.

You still need to take the Wizard "Active" Feat to get the benifit.

So far these are the two classes that 3 lives would increase the DC's of Schools without having
to plan for the additional Feat that is available at Level 3.
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Bard's "Passive" Past Life Feat gets you +1 to Enchantment DC's per life to a max of +3.
Cleric's "Passive" Past Life Feat gets you +1 to Conjuration DC's per life to a max of +3.

Bard past life is active; not passive.

Sorc has a passive DC boost.

[Llewndyn]

18 CHA + 5 level ups + 6 item + 1 tome + 3 CHA enhancements + 3 exceptional CHA (from Shroud item or ToD ring) = 36

Spell DC = 10 + spell level + CHA modifier + DC items + Spell Focus feats

Spell level will be 9 for all spells if you have Heighten on (maybe this is the issue... Do you have the Heighten feat?)

So 10 + 9 + 13 (36 CHA) + 2 (Enchantment and Necromancy items are available in the new quests) + 1/2 (hard to afford two Spell Focus Feats on a sorc) = 35/36

+2 CHA airship gives you another +1... a +3 tome would give you another +1, wizard active past life feat is another +1

FYI, casting hypno gives all mobs -3 to their will saves, so thats like another +3 DC when using Enchantment spells... I always cast hypno first, then mass hold...

I DO have heighten, don't use it much though as I always have empower on and it drains my meager sp fastererer. I LOVE hypno, and keep forgetting I have it, stupid crushing despair...I seem to only be hitting 36 or so (maybe 38, can't remember) from my ship buffs... no +3 tomes, got a +2 but gonna be a bard in next life and would like to replace the 2 I'm losing by going WF... haven't done Wizard past life yet... thanks for the hypno tip though, didn't know it was a debuff too, I should prolly read what these spells do... nah, if I wanted to read I woulda finished up my 7 years of high school.