Intimitank Repurposed?

[Blackbird]

I'm in a little bit of a dilemma. I built my fighter to be a intimtank but since the change to intimidate I really haven't been doing that at all. I was thinking I might repurpose her a bit. The thing I really like about her is that she is multi-functional. Not only is she a high AC intim tank but is also good DPS with TWF.

To be honest, I'm not sure how much intimming is used anymore. I know turtling up is pretty much gone (please correct me if I'm wrong).

So, I'm looking for some advice on how potentially to repurpose my fighter. I'm not sure I want to give up intim completely. I'm also not sure if I want to completely respec her or just swap a couple feats (like bringing in stunning blow). Things I don't want:

1. To TR
2. To do a massive equipment overhaul -- I don't want to spend forever trying to get a couple of extremely rare pieces of equipment that the character "must" have. I don't mind swapping some equipment around (i.e. Tod Ring A for Tod Ring B)
3. To multiclass -- I don't have any multiclass characters.

Here is what she is currently:

Level 20 Dwarven Fighter - Lawful Good
All stats are unbuffed:

Str 34
-- 22 base (17 starting, 5 levels)
-- 2 tome
-- 1 enhancement
-- 9 enchantment (+6 item, +3 ex)

23 Dex
-- 14 base
-- +3 tome
-- +6 item

29 Con
-- 16 base
-- +2 tome
-- +2 enhancement
-- +9 enchantment (+6 item +3 ex)

13 Int
-- 11 base
-- +2 tome

17 Wis
-- 8 base
-- +2 tome
-- +7 item

18 Cha
-- 10 base
-- +2 tome
-- + 6 item

Feats:
Bullheaded
Combat Expertise
TWF -- ITWF -- GTWF
Weapon Focus -- Imp WF (slash)
Weapon Spec -- Imp WS (slash)
Imp Crit slash
Shield mastery -- Imp Shield Mastery
Oversized TWF
Power Attach
Skill Focus: Intim
Toughness x2

Enhancements:
Fighter AC Boost 3
Haste Boost 1
Capstone
Dwarven armor mastery 2
Dwarven axe attack 2
Dwarven axe damage 2
Dwarven con 2
Giant dodger 1 (I think I must have had a point left over or needed 1 point to unlock something)
Dwarven spell defense 3
Dwarven tactics 1
Fighter armor mastery 1
Stalwart Defender 3
Fighter strategy (trip) 3 (I can never trip anything so this is a waste)
Dwarven axe spec 2
Item defense 2
Racial toughness 3
Intim 4
Fighter Str 1
Fighter toughness 3

Unbuffed HP = 619 (659 in stance)
Unbuffed AC with shield in stance with CE = 69
Unbuffed intim = 68

Equipment:
Epic Helm of the Mroranon (slotted with +6 dex)
Stalwart necklace
Bloodstone
Min II hit point cloak
Disease immunity GFL belt
Kyrian's ring (with +2 ex str)
Epic Gloves of the Claw
Madstone boots
Cinder's Band (with +2 ex con)
Thaarak Bracelet (to be replaced with epic bracers of the claw shortly)
Epic Cavalry Plate (to be slotted with toughness)
Tharnes goggles (swap with cha skills goggles when needed for intim)

Thoughts?

[joaofalcao]

Youre not doing so well with your intimitank?

This thread may put some light into your problems I hope?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=335361

[protokon]

To be honest, I'm not sure how much intimming is used anymore. I know turtling up is pretty much gone (please correct me if I'm wrong).

I wouldn't say it is gone more than it is highly situational - turtling up against hound, turtling up against Horoth while the party kills Suulo, ect...There are still uses for it, just not very many .

In the next update, if the raid changes go live as they are on lamma, TOD elite is going to require a serious tank with either massive hitpoints (and I mean over 900) or a tank with extremely good DR, since Horoth is hitting for a whopping 130-140 damage per swing now.

They are also making changes to a bunch of epic equipment. There will be a few very nice items getting quite an upgrade (see lamma notes for details) that may want to make you consider keeping her as is for now and do some gear swaps.

It's gonna come down to basically how you wanna play her really. The raids are going to get harder and give tanks more purpose, since it will become unpractical to have anyone with a moderate amount of hitpoints do it.

[Blackbird]

In the next update, if the raid changes go live as they are on lamma, TOD elite is going to require a serious tank with either massive hitpoints (and I mean over 900) or a tank with extremely good DR, since Horoth is hitting for a whopping 130-140 damage per swing now.

That's good to know. Before the change to intim, I used to intim tank Horoth all the time. I don't have over 900 hp but I do have around a 40 blocking DR and can get decent AC with buffs. I never took much damage from Horoth while intim-tanking. I just didn't know how easy it was to keep aggro anymore with the changes. I've honestly been a little chicken to try

[Gildane]

I have found that the threat bonus buff that sucessfully intimidating gives is very useful for holding aggro. Most things you aren't gonna be turtling anymore, but intimidate is still useful. So i am using intimidate 4 times a minute on bosses, hitting trip or sunder right after so i dont have a big pause in my swings. my guy is sword/board tho, so I need that extra threat bonus when our water savant decides to get both his dots going tier 3.

[karl_k0ch]

In the next update, if the raid changes go live as they are on lamma, TOD elite is going to require a serious tank with either massive hitpoints (and I mean over 900) or a tank with extremely good DR, since Horoth is hitting for a whopping 130-140 damage per swing now.

Speaking of massive DR.

With 130 damage incoming, the Shield Mastery Feats absorb the following amount of damage, i.e. they are equivalent to a stacking DR/- of:

	SM	ISM
Small	13	19.5
Large	19.5	26
Tower	26	32.5

Where SM and ISM refers to Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery, and the rows are showing the different kinds of shields used.

[Xyfiel]

Blackout the chat or remove the pic? userchannel info...

I think you should multiclass...
12fighter/6fighter/2fighter or 18fighter/2fighter.

I would aim for as much DR and hit points as possible with the changes coming.
Drop tactics and trip and get Toughness IV?
Try to trade/buy for a belt with added slot, put in health for extra 10+.
Upgrade/replace Bloodstone, possinly with this
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...wnsSpirits.png

All I got for ya right now.

[TheKeg]

Speaking of massive DR.

With 130 damage incoming, the Shield Mastery Feats absorb the following amount of damage, i.e. they are equivalent to a stacking DR/- of:

	SM	ISM
Small	13	19.5
Large	19.5	26
Tower	26	39

Where SM and ISM refers to Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery, and the rows are showing the different kinds of shields used.

Should be 25% for IMS, not 30% on Tower Shields, unless something is changing?

[protokon]

That's good to know. Before the change to intim, I used to intim tank Horoth all the time. I don't have over 900 hp but I do have around a 40 blocking DR and can get decent AC with buffs. I never took much damage from Horoth while intim-tanking. I just didn't know how easy it was to keep aggro anymore with the changes. I've honestly been a little chicken to try

It is definitely different and for the better. Now you are swinging while cycling intim every 15 seconds to held maintain aggro instead of holding down the shift button for a few minutes. If you put the work in to get your ac to the high 80's (I believe Horoth you need a 91 on elite to be 'unhittable') you will be more than fine.

I also tested my intim out in a pug VOD, I knew if those clowns didnt pull off me my guildies certainly wouldn't (because for some reason, aggro management in this game is solely the tank's responsibility). My guildies are much smarter than that :P got me confident enough to tank horoth in a guild run and worked out very well. Just make sure you get a nice, 1 minute headstart of beating on him to get a firm grasp on his aggro.

[Krinn83]

So the next tank will have little focus on AC: str max / con max / dex whatever is left, improved shield mastery for damage mitigation, stalwart defender for threat generation, con bonus and free DR.
Weapon of choice: mostly bastard sword or dwarven axe for the glancing blow proc while using a shield.

Tank focus becomes: threat generation, hit points, damage mitigation, healing amplification. No room for AC.

[karl_k0ch]

Should be 25% for IMS, not 30% on Tower Shields, unless something is changing?

Yes, my bad. Fixed it in the initial post. Thanks.

[TheKeg]

Yes, my bad. Fixed it in the initial post. Thanks.

Showing 32.5 damage for 25% of 130. You're showing 35 which is about 27%. Third times the charm? :P

[Blackbird]

Blackout the chat or remove the pic? userchannel info...

I think you should multiclass...
12fighter/6fighter/2fighter or 18fighter/2fighter.

I would aim for as much DR and hit points as possible with the changes coming.
Drop tactics and trip and get Toughness IV?
Try to trade/buy for a belt with added slot, put in health for extra 10+.
Upgrade/replace Bloodstone, possinly with this
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...wnsSpirits.png

All I got for ya right now.

Removed since I don't know how to black it out. There's a password anyways....

I don't multi-class, you know that

Does the incite stack with other incite bonuses? I.e. is it like healing amp where the 10% will stack with the 20% or does it only take the highest?

Definitely thinking of dropping trip but thinking of taking stunning blow and swapping for that. Not sure what feat I would lose though.

[Blackbird]

It is definitely different and for the better. Now you are swinging while cycling intim every 15 seconds to held maintain aggro instead of holding down the shift button for a few minutes. If you put the work in to get your ac to the high 80's (I believe Horoth you need a 91 on elite to be 'unhittable') you will be more than fine.

I also tested my intim out in a pug VOD, I knew if those clowns didnt pull off me my guildies certainly wouldn't (because for some reason, aggro management in this game is solely the tank's responsibility). My guildies are much smarter than that :P got me confident enough to tank horoth in a guild run and worked out very well. Just make sure you get a nice, 1 minute headstart of beating on him to get a firm grasp on his aggro.

I think I can get low 80's now fully raid buffed but that's with a shield in hand (that is standing, not blocking AC). I have a point or two more I'll be able to squeeze but I think I will cap out at lower-mid 80's with the gear I have now (extra 2 points coming from an epic ring of the silver concord slotted with ex dex +1).

[SensaiRyu]

I'm in a little bit of a dilemma. I built my fighter to be a intimtank but since the change to intimidate I really haven't been doing that at all. I was thinking I might repurpose her a bit. The thing I really like about her is that she is multi-functional. Not only is she a high AC intim tank but is also good DPS with TWF.

To be honest, I'm not sure how much intimming is used anymore. I know turtling up is pretty much gone (please correct me if I'm wrong).

So, I'm looking for some advice on how potentially to repurpose my fighter. I'm not sure I want to give up intim completely. I'm also not sure if I want to completely respec her or just swap a couple feats (like bringing in stunning blow). Things I don't want:

1. To TR
2. To do a massive equipment overhaul -- I don't want to spend forever trying to get a couple of extremely rare pieces of equipment that the character "must" have. I don't mind swapping some equipment around (i.e. Tod Ring A for Tod Ring B)
3. To multiclass -- I don't have any multiclass characters.

...

Thoughts?

Yes, get rid of Dex and go with THF. I S&B when tanking and use a greatsword or 2 bastard swords (yep even without TWF) when fighting.

Use the extra AP to improve str, cha, or con.

I intim on Sally and Ziggy all the time (base intim 66 without equips/buffs). Ziggy is still a turtle. Sally takes some swinging after initial intim. Haven't tried TOD yet - I'm not flagged.

After reading the SD III bug thread I may try out SD II to see if I can keep intim better in VOD. I loose it on rare occasions.