Was planning to tr my fighter into 18fight/2rge

[Miow]

Going from 20 fighter HO to this, any big humungous mistakes here? Thanks

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Mugabee IronMaw
Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(18 Fighter \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 416
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 9
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         17                    20
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 20)
Balance                  8
Bluff                    5
Concentration            8
Diplomacy                5
Disable Device           n/a
Haggle                   2
Heal                    -1
Hide                    -2
Intimidate              28
Jump                    26
Listen                  -1
Move Silently           -2
Open Lock                n/a
Perform                  n/a
Repair                   3
Search                   2
Spot                    -1
Swim                     5
Tumble                  -1
Use Magic Device        26

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Immunities


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword


Level 4 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+10)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 12 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+9)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting IV
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III

[KutchemesTheDark]

Advices

1 - Take 1st and 8th levels as rogue
2 - Dont spend skill points to Jump give only 5-6 points.It's capped at 40. And you can find jump potions or clickies too much. Spend them balance or search if you want.
3 - Take another toughess feat instead Past Life: Student of the Sword
4 - Also I prefer Bludgeon Critical for undead kind mob instead of cleave.

[FrozenNova]

Advices
4 - Also I prefer Bludgeon Critical for undead kind mob instead of cleave.

For the crit immune undead mobs?
Now disrupting and its varients is applied equally regardless of crit profile, this wouldn't be useful.

[Djjinni]

My advice would be to go Rogue lvl 1, and then put points into UMD at every level, passing over Jump. Jump clickies are easy enough to find, especially with UMD up.

The CHA points seem a little random, consider moving them with the 17th Con points into Dex for added Evasion benefits?

[XL_Jockey]

Why do people recommend to take level 1 as Rogue? The two reasons for going Rogue here are Evasion and UMD. By taking the Rogue levels later he can get a better UMD score than if he started Rogue at 1. The reason is that max ranks at 1 is 4, while max ranks at 8 is 11, allowing him to put all his points in UMD to get a higher score overall at 20.

[Mangloid]

My question is why are you taking the two rogue levels?

If one of the reasons is for evasion, then you're build need reworked. Your dex score and reflex score are far to low to make evasion even remotely useful.

Not even addressing your feat selection (which i don't favor), If you want a useful reflex score rework your stats.

In trying to keep close to your original build, i'd suggest reworking to the following stats to give yourself a somewhat viable reflex save:

16 str
15 edx
16 con
12 int
6 wis
12 cha

[Djjinni]

I focussed my advice on tweaking the build rather than altering it dramatically, however the above stats would benefit you more, in my opinion anyways.

Level 1 Rogue is generally suggested because at level 1 you are given a much higher multiplier on skill points, allowing you to max out several skills, and then focus the later points on keeping the few skills maxed that you want.

Skill points at first level:
(Class modifier + Intelligence modifier) * 4
From the DDOwiki.

This means more total points overall? I have not done the math on this, so correct me if i'm not understanding it fully.

[Miow]

My question is why are you taking the two rogue levels?

If one of the reasons is for evasion, then you're build need reworked. Your dex score and reflex score are far to low to make evasion even remotely useful.

Not even addressing your feat selection (which i don't favor), If you want a useful reflex score rework your stats.

In trying to keep close to your original build, i'd suggest reworking to the following stats to give yourself a somewhat viable reflex save:

16 str
15 edx
16 con
12 int
6 wis
12 cha

Okay i see some good info here,

I was thinking i could re-tweak my stats a bit, i realize to have a 30 plus reflex would be optimal. I could also get a Fleshshaper's Docent with +10 reflex on it to help with evasion when needed

I'm not a big fan of the 16 con since i plan on using a +3 tome of con( although i could use ap here to even it out) and i could lower my strength to 17 if i acquire a +3 tome of strength.

I could re-adjust to
17 str
13 Dex
16 con
12 int
6 wis
12 cha

Getting a +3 Tome of dex would be great to bring that up to 16 dex giving me a total of +3 extra to my reflex(only would be +1 more with 15 dex).

And about starting at rogue lvl 1, it's exactly as xljockey said, i don't care about the other skills, i have too many points to start and find myself dumping points into stuff i don't need/care about.

Also i'm considering tr my rogue into this build instead...

Oh btw what is wrong with my feats?

Thanks

[Miow]

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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Female
(18 Fighter \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 426
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 12
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    26
Dexterity            13                    16
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 13
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 13
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                    19
Bluff                 1                     6
Concentration         3                     9
Diplomacy             1                     6
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                 -2                     0
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            5                    30
Jump                  5                    15
Listen               -2                     0
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     3
Search                1                     3
Spot                 -2                     0
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    26

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting IV
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III

[unbongwah]

For the crit immune undead mobs?

If you're using, say, a holy burst or maiming weapon, Imp Crit still helps those proc more often, IIRC. That said, I wouldn't waste a feat just to get those effects to proc 5% more often on skellies, either.

OP: do you actually care about AC? If you do, you should invest more effort into it; e.g., I don't see Combat Expertise or Dodge, also consider SD instead of Kensai. If you don't, just drop Mithral Body; +3 AC is pointless if you're not in it for the long haul.

One option worth considering is pally 6 / ftr 12 / rogue 2: the pally lvls boost your saves (get more outta Evasion), add Divine Righteousness for hate-tanking, get a couple of DPS-boosting clickies like Divine Might I and Exalted Smite.

[XL_Jockey]

I focussed my advice on tweaking the build rather than altering it dramatically, however the above stats would benefit you more, in my opinion anyways.

Level 1 Rogue is generally suggested because at level 1 you are given a much higher multiplier on skill points, allowing you to max out several skills, and then focus the later points on keeping the few skills maxed that you want.

Skill points at first level:
(Class modifier + Intelligence modifier) * 4
From the DDOwiki.

This means more total points overall? I have not done the math on this, so correct me if i'm not understanding it fully.

You're correct about more skillpoints overall, but a fighter DPS build only really needs one dps skill: Balance, to get up from being knocked down quicker. Jump and Intimidate are useful, but not necessary (unless building an Intim tank). So those extra points at level one get used for skills that just aren't very useful. Instead, taking Rogue later will give you fewer skill points overall, but allow you to max the one skill that Rog brings to the table for a DPS fighter build, and that's UMD.

[Miow]

If you're using, say, a holy burst or maiming weapon, Imp Crit still helps those proc more often, IIRC. That said, I wouldn't waste a feat just to get those effects to proc 5% more often on skellies, either.

OP: do you actually care about AC? If you do, you should invest more effort into it; e.g., I don't see Combat Expertise or Dodge, also consider SD instead of Kensai. If you don't, just drop Mithral Body; +3 AC is pointless if you're not in it for the long haul.

One option worth considering is pally 6 / ftr 12 / rogue 2: the pally lvls boost your saves (get more outta Evasion), add Divine Righteousness for hate-tanking, get a couple of DPS-boosting clickies like Divine Might I and Exalted Smite.

Nah don't care about ac really, maybe dropping mithril body for say another toughness feat? The thing is i like the all around dps a kensai has to offer, although i would consider making something with a pally splash on a different character.

[Cold_Stele]

I SRTONGLY SUGGEST - not TRing as a 20 Ftr and blow some TP on some lesser hearts (+5's currently in store).

The Pally past life feat is awesome, so is Barb if you're taking Barb levels.

If you do want to LR Pally levels in, drop me a PM, there's a couple of things you need to know.