Stacking DR sources

[Zerenety]

I am finalizing and gearing up my Pale Master to reach a very high DR.
I am not including Shield Mastery, Lich/Demonic Shield or Undead Boon in these numbers.
I am not sure if all this stacks, but here is what I got:

DR 15 - Levik's Defender
or
DR 12 - Epic Kundarak Warding Shield *ASF slotted*

DR 12 - 10 (20 Bab) + 2 Active Blocking
DR 3 - Barbarian Dilettante
DR 10 - Stoneskin (Earthern Guard)

This is a total of 40 DR against melee, 26,5 against ranged (26 i guess)

Now here comes the part where I am unsure of.

DR 10 - Greater Spearblock (Does this stack with Stoneskin?)
DR 5 - Axe/Hammer Block (same as above)
DR 5 - Epic Reduction (The same as Hammer/Axe/Spear?) *Light and Darkness*
DR 4 - Epic Golden Greaves (Same as Hammer/Axe/Spear?)

If the Epic Reduction and Greaves has the same type of DR as Hammer/Axe/Spear, but not the same as Stoneskin: (My theory)

Total of 45 DR against melee (Hammer/Axe), 36,5 against ranged (36 maybe)


Along with what I have asked above, I would like to know if I have missed out on some nice DR sources.
(Not including DR 5/- from the symbiot)


Thanks

[soulaeon]

DR does not really stack unless it's class or racial. I think what happens is that you can apply different types of DR in the event another can be bypasses.
So 5/adamantine and 3/- will apply a total of 3 if adamantine is passed.

[richieelias27]

From what I've gathered, Blocking is the only DR that stacks for an Arcane. All other forms of DR take the highest effective DR.

For example: while blocking with Levik's and with stone skin you should have a DR of 37. If something is attacking you with an adamantine weapon, your DR will be 27.

None of those other DR sources stack, including Barbarian Dilettante.

[Lurzifer]

Btw while youre at it, anyone know why PM is *Immune* to Warchanter DR song?
Just curious =)

[Zerenety]

Btw while youre at it, anyone know why PM is *Immune* to Warchanter DR song?
Just curious =)

This.

I have to wait with my Shroud activation, or else I'll miss it :P

To the rest of you. I figured I was hoping for to much when I though Stoneskin was a DR source that stacks with everything xept other adamentine sources.
I will drop in and test it.

[richieelias27]

It has been tested many times and confirmed. It is also following the DR rules of PnP.

Currently the only non-blocking DR that stack are the body enhancements for Warforged and the FvS DR for Warforged.

Well, saying they don't stack is slightly misleading actually. They "stack", but they do not add on to each other. If you have Stoneskin + Barb DR3, you will have 10DR vs all non-adamantine and DR3 vs Adamantine. Of course you likely already knew that part.

The Ironskin Chant also does not stack, so it's really not a big deal to miss it if you are good about keeping stoneskin up or have another source of DR5 such as the Epic DR5 or Bloodrage Symbiont.

[Zerenety]

From ddowiki;

Passive DR Sources
Passive DR can be provided from many sources, including:

Warforged Adamantine Body, Improved DR Feats, or Warforged Improved DR enhancements (DR/Adamantine)
Barbarians get +1 DR/- at levels 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20 and a +1 Enhancement available at levels 3 and 7
Favored Souls are granted DR10/X, where X is a type of damage based on their Faith enhancements, at level 20
Monks gain DR10/Epic at level 20 via the granted feat Perfect Self
Adamantine Armor DR/- (1 from shields or light armor, 2 from medium armor, and 3 from heavy armor)
Ironskin Chant (DR5/-) song from Warchanter Bard
The Stoneskin spell (DR 10/Adamantine), Angelskin spell (DR5/Evil)
Magical items of Invulnerability (DR 5/Magic), or of Axeblock, Hammerblock, and Spearblock
Certain named items, like the Bloodrage Symbiont (DR5/-) or Golden Greaves (DR3/-)
These passive DR sources do not stack with each other; only the highest DR not overcome by an attack is taken into account.

The Warforged Feats and Enhancements that improve DR are special cases. These benefits explicitly say they grant DR/Adamantine or improve your existing DR/Adamantine. They stack with your single strongest other source of Adamantine DR, whether it comes from a Warforged racial benefit or something else.


In other words, if you can keep Stoneskin active 24/7, all the other sources I listed will be useless?
Well, it ruins my plan on building an DR freak Helf :P I guess an Epic Mire ring will be the best.

Anyway, if you have thoughts on the matter, feel free

[Shishizaru]

In other words, if you can keep Stoneskin active 24/7, all the other sources I listed will be useless?
Well, it ruins my plan on building an DR freak Helf :P I guess an Epic Mire ring will be the best.

Sort of. As mentioned before, passive DR overlaps, but does not stack.

For example, say you have Stoneskin (DR 10/Adamantine) and Ironskin Chant (DR 5/-) active. If something hits you with a non-adamantine weapon, you do NOT have 15 total DR. You get 10 from Stoneskin, since it is a higher value that Ironskin Chant. If, however, something with hits you with an adamantine weapon, it will bypass your Stoneskin. It will NOT bypass Ironskin Chant (as nothing does), so you still have 5 DR. Ironskin Chant effectively shores up Stoneskin's "weakness," but will not help against things Stoneskin already protects against.

As far as Epic Ring of the Mire is concerned, it only protects against pierce damage. It might be nice to swap in if there's hordes of archers about, but it does nothing to stop slash/bludgeon damage, so I would not recommend it as your general purpose DR item.

Note that blocking DR (from the shields you mentioned earlier) WILL stack with passive DR if you are blocking.

[Zerenety]

Sort of. As mentioned before, passive DR overlaps, but does not stack.

For example, say you have Stoneskin (DR 10/Adamantine) and Ironskin Chant (DR 5/-) active. If something hits you with a non-adamantine weapon, you do NOT have 15 total DR. You get 10 from Stoneskin, since it is a higher value that Ironskin Chant. If, however, something with hits you with an adamantine weapon, it will bypass your Stoneskin. It will NOT bypass Ironskin Chant (as nothing does), so you still have 5 DR. Ironskin Chant effectively shores up Stoneskin's "weakness," but will not help against things Stoneskin already protects against.

As far as Epic Ring of the Mire is concerned, it only protects against pierce damage. It might be nice to swap in if there's hordes of archers about, but it does nothing to stop slash/bludgeon damage, so I would not recommend it as your general purpose DR item.

Note that blocking DR (from the shields you mentioned earlier) WILL stack with passive DR if you are blocking.

Pretty much sums it up yes.

The ring, however, has earthern guard along with Greater spearblock. Making it the best passive DR tool for me.


Thank you guys for the help Nothing more to be said

[goodspeed]

isn't their a feat or something that has stacking dr? I thought I saw some kind of dr+3 on a peice of chain mail I sold once. I assumed it was just a feat added to it like all the others while being worn.

[nicro]

Go with Lorikk's Shield over Levik's. They both have the same DR and Lorikk's ASF is only 15% compared to Levik's 40%.

[Zerenety]

isn't their a feat or something that has stacking dr? I thought I saw some kind of dr+3 on a peice of chain mail I sold once. I assumed it was just a feat added to it like all the others while being worn.

Never seen anything like it :P Keep me hinted if you ever figure it out

Go with Lorikk's Shield over Levik's. They both have the same DR and Lorikk's ASF is only 15% compared to Levik's 40%.

Yes, but leviks is a tower shield. The Shield Mastery feat nets me more DR with it.
Currently I don't have anywhere to slot ASF on my gear, but if I do, I'll switch it with the kundarak shield.

[richieelias27]

isn't their a feat or something that has stacking dr? I thought I saw some kind of dr+3 on a peice of chain mail I sold once. I assumed it was just a feat added to it like all the others while being worn.

WF Adamantine Body feat stacks with the WF DR enhancements and the Favored Soul Adamantine DR. Barbarian also has enhancements that improve Barbarian DR. These and absolutely nothing else. Unless they add something to update 11, there is no armor with passive DR that stacks with anything. There is also no such item in the game with passive DR that stacks with anything. There is also no such thing as DR+3. You might have seen some adamantine Chainmail with DR2/adamantine, which basically means you have 2 DR vs anything not adamantine, or you may have seen something with lesser spearblock/swordblock/hammerblock which gives DR3/slashing or piercing or blunt. None of these things stack either.

[Zerenety]

WF Adamantine Body feat stacks with the WF DR enhancements and the Favored Soul Adamantine DR. Barbarian also has enhancements that improve Barbarian DR. These and absolutely nothing else. Unless they add something to update 11, there is no armor with passive DR that stacks with anything. There is also no such item in the game with passive DR that stacks with anything. There is also no such thing as DR+3. You might have seen some adamantine Chainmail with DR2/adamantine, which basically means you have 2 DR vs anything not adamantine, or you may have seen something with lesser spearblock/swordblock/hammerblock which gives DR3/slashing or piercing or blunt. None of these things stack either.

Figured as much. To bad that the Barbarian DR doesn't stack with anything.

*The Warforged Feats and Enhancements that improve DR are special cases. These benefits explicitly say they grant DR/Adamantine or improve your existing DR/Adamantine. They stack with your single strongest other source of Adamantine DR, whether it comes from a Warforged racial benefit or something else.*

So I would have to go WF for an extra DR 3/Adamentine without gaining ASF. Won't happen :P